Radical Leftist Disillusioned By Leftist Culture

[Forty Two]

They hold about as much weight as your post, but are more fun to look at

So how many votes did you get at the last moderator election, oh non-authoritarian one?

It would be unusual for a forum's moderators to be elected by the members. Also, it's not really "authoritarian" to exercise authority over the goings on in one's own forum.

And, rachelbean, I think, would not just be a moderator. She's also an administrator and a founder of the forum. As such, her authority is a function of property rights and forum rules set by herself, not a vote. At least, that's what would make sense. Not sure why you would expect her to be running for election....

[Forty Two]

I always considered myself a progressive and a leftist

On what possible grounds? You don't support democracy on your own forum. What progressiveness have you ever brought to the table?

Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?

[Forty Two]

However, those who make such statements would claim it as a righteous ideology rather than their personal pathology, I suspect.

Definitely. But it doesn't change what it likely is - a pathology from being ignored for most of their lives.

But, these are not people who have been ignored. These are privileged, middle and upper class people who are claiming to be among an oppressed class. Bahar Mustafa, the example I used above, came from a wealthy, upper class family and attended university. She's white, although she claims to be "of color," and well-to-do. She's never been ignored in her life.

That's a non-sequitur. Being middle class doesn't mean someone's views haven't been ignored most of their life. It's their views that matter, not their class.

Nobody has ignored these folks. It might have done them some good had someone ignored them here and there. The pathology they suffer from is a result of too much attention and coddling, not too little.

[pErvinalia]

I always considered myself a progressive and a leftist

On what possible grounds? You don't support democracy on your own forum. What progressiveness have you ever brought to the table?

Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?

I tried making the same point, but Exi claims I never said it. Inconvenient facts.

[pErvinalia]

However, those who make such statements would claim it as a righteous ideology rather than their personal pathology, I suspect.

Definitely. But it doesn't change what it likely is - a pathology from being ignored for most of their lives.

But, these are not people who have been ignored. These are privileged, middle and upper class people who are claiming to be among an oppressed class. Bahar Mustafa, the example I used above, came from a wealthy, upper class family and attended university. She's white, although she claims to be "of color," and well-to-do. She's never been ignored in her life.

That's a non-sequitur. Being middle class doesn't mean someone's views haven't been ignored most of their life. It's their views that matter, not their class.

Nobody has ignored these folks. It might have done them some good had someone ignored them here and there. The pathology they suffer from is a result of too much attention and coddling, not too little.

I disagree. They are usually outsiders to society and were the type of people who were bullied and/or disliked at school. When they get to university they realise that the school yard order no longer applies, and they over compensate when making up for the lack of influence/power they used to have.

[JimC]

Bot of you are making massive assumptions about the personal history and psychology of the rigid PC brigade. Perhaps they come to that point via many different paths...

[pErvinalia]

They could. But I've spent 20yrs studying and working in a major university and the type is known well. It's just that here in Australia they are a very tiny minority.

[Exi5tentialist]

I always considered myself a progressive and a leftist

On what possible grounds? You don't support democracy on your own forum. What progressiveness have you ever brought to the table?

Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?

I tried making the same point, but Exi claims I never said it. Inconvenient facts.

I don't know by what contortion you blurt out the claim that I said you never said it. Please give me a specific reference for that.

In answer to the question, if somebody claims to be a thing, then it's their acts and omissions that determine whether their claim is evidenced. If their acts and omissions are contradictory, it brings their claim into doubt.

[pErvinalia]

I always considered myself a progressive and a leftist

On what possible grounds? You don't support democracy on your own forum. What progressiveness have you ever brought to the table?

Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?

I tried making the same point, but Exi claims I never said it. Inconvenient facts.

I don't know by what contortion you blurt out the claim that I said you never said it. Please give me a specific reference for that.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 1#p1644251

Trolls pretend that something doesn't exist when it clearly does.

In answer to the question, if somebody claims to be a thing, then it's their acts and omissions that determine whether their claim is evidenced. If their acts and omissions are contradictory, it brings their claim into doubt.

What manner of wibble is this? This doesn't address the point that a private entity has nothing whatsoever to do with whether one is an advocate of political democracy.

[Exi5tentialist]

I don't know by what contortion you blurt out the claim that I said you never said it. Please give me a specific reference for that.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 1#p1644251

Trolls pretend that something doesn't exist when it clearly does.

For the record that link takes us to a post which consists of the following exchange:-

Read the thread. Stop being lazy.

I've read it. Read it all. The point you keep referring to doesn't exist.

You keep doing this - saying "I answered that earlier" when you haven't.

For the record, this is not evidence that I denied that you made the point, "Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?" Linking to a vague post to support a specific one is simply not evidence, no matter how many times you add the word "troll" in.

Once again, please could you supply a reference to the actual point where I ever denied that you made the point, "Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?"

[pErvinalia]

I don't know by what contortion you blurt out the claim that I said you never said it. Please give me a specific reference for that.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 1#p1644251

Trolls pretend that something doesn't exist when it clearly does.

For the record that link takes us to a post which consists of the following exchange:-

Read the thread. Stop being lazy.

I've read it. Read it all. The point you keep referring to doesn't exist.

You keep doing this - saying "I answered that earlier" when you haven't.

For the record, this is not evidence that I denied that you made the point, "Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?" Linking to a vague post to support a specific one is simply not evidence, no matter how many times you add the word "troll" in.

You asked for evidence that you claimed I never answered the question. That's exactly what I just did.

Once again, please could you supply a reference to the actual point where I ever denied that you made the point, "Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?"

I just did. If you have the concentration span, follow the quotes backs and you'll see the answer to that question is EXACTLY what I was referring to.

[rainbow]

I always considered myself a progressive and a leftist

On what possible grounds? You don't support democracy on your own forum. What progressiveness have you ever brought to the table?

Why would a lack of support for democracy on her own forum have anything to do with whether she is a progressive leftist?

Progressive leftists need to maintain discipline too

[JimC]

The party needs to be whipped into shape!

[Forty Two]

I disagree. They are usually outsiders to society and were the type of people who were bullied and/or disliked at school. When they get to university they realise that the school yard order no longer applies, and they over compensate when making up for the lack of influence/power they used to have.

I see no evidence of that.

These are folks used to getting their way. They show up to college and a professor challenges their views, and they feel as if they are entitled to have the professor thrown off campus.

These are people who feel entitled to interfere with other people's peaceful meetings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmdYPnePJMQ Imagine the protesters here are holding confederate flags and blocking civil rights activists from listening to a speech by Morris Dees or Al Sharpton.

These are folks who, at a graduate level -- we're talking students in their mid-to-late-20s -- run to the administration to get a teacher fired for using the word "nigger" in a class discussion on race (not directed at anyone, but as part of a class discussion): http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2442657

These people are lunatics -- just listen to Melissa Click try to lie her way out of violating student press rights and freedom of speech, and the right of any student to be in a public place when they see fit: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/26401/

They feel entitled to disrupt a peaceful presentations they disagree with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s86uGGkkycg Imagine this was a meeting of feminists to discuss feminism, and a bunch of MRAs stood up, threw fake blood around and otherwise disrupted the meeting like these folks. What would you say about it?

It's all over the US now, not just Missou and Rutgers, but Yale, Harvard, Berkely, Washington University, Claremont McKenna, University of Kansas, California Institute of Technology, Alabama A&M, you name it. The country's campuses are rife with this garbage. Today, students often demand freedom from speech rather than freedom of speech.

[Forty Two]

They could. But I've spent 20yrs studying and working in a major university and the type is known well. It's just that here in Australia they are a very tiny minority.

Well, then wait for it...here in the US, they have seized or are seizing control of university campuses. They have Deans of Students resigning over their petty bullshit complaints. They are changing disciplinary systems to eliminate due process. They are imposing onerous speech codes, and enforcing microaggression policies, and getting professors fired.

They are tearing at the very basic concepts underpinning freedom and individual liberty. They do not even want freedom of speech anymore. They don't want to be free from arbitrary government action. They are asking for limitations on freedom of speech, no demanding it. And, they are demanding intervention and control by the authorities.

They want students disciplined for having sombrero and tequila parties -- http://www.news965.com/news/news/local/ ... equ/nqf88/ They want investigations and witch hunts over stuff they merely disagree with and/or find distasteful.

This stuff is rampant.