What is meaningless?

[Svartalf]

I mean, like, srsly?

Beer is deadly serious matter.

[Hermit]

I feel like when I answered the original question I was sitting at a pub with some friends and discussing something I found interesting. Then a drunk university student came up and started lecturing us all on where we were wrong and why, and then I didn't want to finish my pint.

I am enjoying myself by reading your comment in light of your avatar, hitting the refresh button and rereading your comment as coloured by the change, again and again. Good stuff. I mean it.

As for the drunken student analogy, that's a pretty good one, but at worst he is just boring, and we have at least one member here who is plenty more boring, and if that were not enough, has infested this forum with heaps more posts than JamesT. Both are very serious indeed, but neither puts me off adding my two cents worth to any discussion I feel like participating in. And they never put me off my pint.

[jamest]

I feel like when I answered the original question I was sitting at a pub with some friends and discussing something I found interesting. Then a drunk university student came up and started lecturing us all on where we were wrong and why, and then I didn't want to finish my pint.

I am enjoying myself by reading your comment in light of your avatar, hitting the refresh button and rereading your comment as coloured by the change, again and again. Good stuff. I mean it.

As for the drunken student analogy, that's a pretty good one, but at worst he is just boring, and we have at least one member here who is plenty more boring, and if that were not enough, has infested this forum with heaps more posts than JamesT. Both are very serious indeed, but neither puts me off adding my two cents worth to any discussion I feel like participating in. And they never put me off my pint.

The bores in here are the arrogant bastards who, without provocation, persistently make snide comments about people just because they've said something enlightening. You're nothing but a troll, squire, and a bully. I have no respect for such sorts. Certainly, I will not shirk from participating in philosophical threads in the face of such bullying. You should know that from ratskep.

I can be as light-hearted and frivolous as most here. Many of my posts in this forum will testify to that fact. The fact that I have an interest in philosophy is not detrimental to my character. Nor is my interest in metaphysics, ontology and epistemology, detrimental to my character. The fact that you do not agree with my metaphysics is because you don't have the first clue about philosophy and hanker after your hedonistic lifestyle as though [seemingly] I were your judge and jury. Your portrayal of me as a bore is naught but a defensive mechanism. It exposes your character weaknesses, not mine. However, the repetition of such tantrums is the epitome of boringness. You've been doing it for years. It's all you are capable of doing, in threads such as this.

You're no better than me, matey, except in the eyes of like-minded people. 1 x 0 = 0 ... 2 x 0 = 0 .. 3 x 0 = 0 ... 4 x 0 = 0 ...

[Hermit]

I feel like when I answered the original question I was sitting at a pub with some friends and discussing something I found interesting. Then a drunk university student came up and started lecturing us all on where we were wrong and why, and then I didn't want to finish my pint.

I am enjoying myself by reading your comment in light of your avatar, hitting the refresh button and rereading your comment as coloured by the change, again and again. Good stuff. I mean it.

As for the drunken student analogy, that's a pretty good one, but at worst he is just boring, and we have at least one member here who is plenty more boring, and if that were not enough, has infested this forum with heaps more posts than JamesT. Both are very serious indeed, but neither puts me off adding my two cents worth to any discussion I feel like participating in. And they never put me off my pint.

The bores in here are the arrogant bastards who, without provocation, persistently make snide comments about people just because they've said something enlightening. You're nothing but a troll, squire, and a bully. I have no respect for such sorts. Certainly, I will not shirk from participating in philosophical threads in the face of such bullying. You should know that from ratskep.

I can be as light-hearted and frivolous as most here. Many of my posts in this forum will testify to that fact. The fact that I have an interest in philosophy is not detrimental to my character. Nor is my interest in metaphysics, ontology and epistemology, detrimental to my character. The fact that you do not agree with my metaphysics is because you don't have the first clue about philosophy and hanker after your hedonistic lifestyle as though [seemingly] I were your judge and jury. Your portrayal of me as a bore is naught but a defensive mechanism. It exposes your character weaknesses, not mine. However, the repetition of such tantrums is the epitome of boringness. You've been doing it for years. It's all you are capable of doing, in threads such as this.

You're no better than me, matey, except in the eyes of like-minded people. 1 x 0 = 0 ... 2 x 0 = 0 .. 3 x 0 = 0 ... 4 x 0 = 0 ...

oooooooh, you want a flame war, do you? Listen, if you want that fight, step outside. I still have this pint here. If I'm no with you in five minutes, start without me.

[rachelbean]

We're in the General Serious Discussion & Philosophy forum and debating the concept of meaning, and a bunch of people are annoyed because someone who has a clue has undermined everything that they've had to say on the matter to the point that they're resorting to snide comments. Well fuck me, and then go and fuck yourselves.

Actually, no, there is discussion and then there is shit like this, which is where the snide comes in (from you)...

In consideration of my previous posts, the nihilistic opinion that "there is no meaning nor value to anything, including opinions" is shown to be an utterly irrational and therefore meaningless perspective to hold, devoid of all reasonable value.

I actually do enjoy different viewpoints. I'm still hoping Brian rejoins the discussion.

[jamest]

We're in the General Serious Discussion & Philosophy forum and debating the concept of meaning, and a bunch of people are annoyed because someone who has a clue has undermined everything that they've had to say on the matter to the point that they're resorting to snide comments. Well fuck me, and then go and fuck yourselves.

Actually, no, there is discussion and then there is shit like this, which is where the snide comes in (from you)...

In consideration of my previous posts, the nihilistic opinion that "there is no meaning nor value to anything, including opinions" is shown to be an utterly irrational and therefore meaningless perspective to hold, devoid of all reasonable value.

I actually do enjoy different viewpoints. I'm still hoping Brian rejoins the discussion.

My "snide comment" was about nihilism, not you or anyone else. Your snide comment was quite definitely about me as a person.

Do you often make snide comments about people when they have a go at your beliefs?

[Brian Peacock]

I feel like when I answered the original question I was sitting at a pub with some friends and discussing something I found interesting. Then a drunk university student came up and started lecturing us all on where we were wrong and why, and then I didn't want to finish my pint.

I am enjoying myself by reading your comment in light of your avatar, hitting the refresh button and rereading your comment as coloured by the change, again and again. Good stuff. I mean it.

As for the drunken student analogy, that's a pretty good one, but at worst he is just boring, and we have at least one member here who is plenty more boring, and if that were not enough, has infested this forum with heaps more posts than JamesT. Both are very serious indeed, but neither puts me off adding my two cents worth to any discussion I feel like participating in. And they never put me off my pint.

The bores in here are the arrogant bastards who, without provocation, persistently make snide comments about people just because they've said something enlightening. You're nothing but a troll, squire, and a bully. I have no respect for such sorts. Certainly, I will not shirk from participating in philosophical threads in the face of such bullying. You should know that from ratskep.

I can be as light-hearted and frivolous as most here. Many of my posts in this forum will testify to that fact. The fact that I have an interest in philosophy is not detrimental to my character. Nor is my interest in metaphysics, ontology and epistemology, detrimental to my character. The fact that you do not agree with my metaphysics is because you don't have the first clue about philosophy and hanker after your hedonistic lifestyle as though [seemingly] I were your judge and jury. Your portrayal of me as a bore is naught but a defensive mechanism. It exposes your character weaknesses, not mine. However, the repetition of such tantrums is the epitome of boringness. You've been doing it for years. It's all you are capable of doing, in threads such as this.

You're no better than me, matey, except in the eyes of like-minded people. 1 x 0 = 0 ... 2 x 0 = 0 .. 3 x 0 = 0 ... 4 x 0 = 0 ...

James, if I wanted didactic pedagogy I'd read a book or article. while i accept you have some interesting thoughts to contribte antagonising your new friends will just get you ignored and belittled. This isn't Rational Skepticism - just give an honest account of your own views and leave the disingenuous baiting stawmanning to those who've made a life's study of that cracked cadence.

[rachelbean]

We're in the General Serious Discussion & Philosophy forum and debating the concept of meaning, and a bunch of people are annoyed because someone who has a clue has undermined everything that they've had to say on the matter to the point that they're resorting to snide comments. Well fuck me, and then go and fuck yourselves.

Actually, no, there is discussion and then there is shit like this, which is where the snide comes in (from you)...

In consideration of my previous posts, the nihilistic opinion that "there is no meaning nor value to anything, including opinions" is shown to be an utterly irrational and therefore meaningless perspective to hold, devoid of all reasonable value.

I actually do enjoy different viewpoints. I'm still hoping Brian rejoins the discussion.

My "snide comment" was about nihilism, not you or anyone else. Your snide comment was quite definitely about me as a person.

Do you often make snide comments about people when they have a go at your beliefs?

No, I'm a nice person in general, I just find your style very unpleasant.

[jamest]

We're in the General Serious Discussion & Philosophy forum and debating the concept of meaning, and a bunch of people are annoyed because someone who has a clue has undermined everything that they've had to say on the matter to the point that they're resorting to snide comments. Well fuck me, and then go and fuck yourselves.

Actually, no, there is discussion and then there is shit like this, which is where the snide comes in (from you)...

In consideration of my previous posts, the nihilistic opinion that "there is no meaning nor value to anything, including opinions" is shown to be an utterly irrational and therefore meaningless perspective to hold, devoid of all reasonable value.

I actually do enjoy different viewpoints. I'm still hoping Brian rejoins the discussion.

My "snide comment" was about nihilism, not you or anyone else. Your snide comment was quite definitely about me as a person.

Do you often make snide comments about people when they have a go at your beliefs?

No, I'm a nice person in general, I just find your style very unpleasant.

I'm all for a bit of style advice, though it's difficult to present serious arguments whilst being a joker.

[jamest]

I feel like when I answered the original question I was sitting at a pub with some friends and discussing something I found interesting. Then a drunk university student came up and started lecturing us all on where we were wrong and why, and then I didn't want to finish my pint.

I am enjoying myself by reading your comment in light of your avatar, hitting the refresh button and rereading your comment as coloured by the change, again and again. Good stuff. I mean it.

As for the drunken student analogy, that's a pretty good one, but at worst he is just boring, and we have at least one member here who is plenty more boring, and if that were not enough, has infested this forum with heaps more posts than JamesT. Both are very serious indeed, but neither puts me off adding my two cents worth to any discussion I feel like participating in. And they never put me off my pint.

The bores in here are the arrogant bastards who, without provocation, persistently make snide comments about people just because they've said something enlightening. You're nothing but a troll, squire, and a bully. I have no respect for such sorts. Certainly, I will not shirk from participating in philosophical threads in the face of such bullying. You should know that from ratskep.

I can be as light-hearted and frivolous as most here. Many of my posts in this forum will testify to that fact. The fact that I have an interest in philosophy is not detrimental to my character. Nor is my interest in metaphysics, ontology and epistemology, detrimental to my character. The fact that you do not agree with my metaphysics is because you don't have the first clue about philosophy and hanker after your hedonistic lifestyle as though [seemingly] I were your judge and jury. Your portrayal of me as a bore is naught but a defensive mechanism. It exposes your character weaknesses, not mine. However, the repetition of such tantrums is the epitome of boringness. You've been doing it for years. It's all you are capable of doing, in threads such as this.

You're no better than me, matey, except in the eyes of like-minded people. 1 x 0 = 0 ... 2 x 0 = 0 .. 3 x 0 = 0 ... 4 x 0 = 0 ...

James, if I wanted didactic pedagogy I'd read a book or article. while i accept you have some interesting thoughts to contribte antagonising your new friends will just get you ignored and belittled. This isn't Rational Skepticism - just give an honest account of your own views and leave the disingenuous baiting stawmanning to those who've made a life's study of that cracked cadence.

There's no way to present my views without antagonising people, given what those views entail.

I do apologise for losing my rag though. I need to stop doing that, regardless of the cause.

[mistermack]

You lot can bitch all you like.

It will all be meaningless in a thousand years time.

Actually, for Rationalia, that's good going. It's usually a thousand seconds.

[Seth]

I feel like when I answered the original question I was sitting at a pub with some friends and discussing something I found interesting. Then a drunk university student came up and started lecturing us all on where we were wrong and why, and then I didn't want to finish my pint.

Well, perhaps the solution to not finishing your pint would be to give it to the nitwit student...at high velocity...directed at his mouth, combined with the police rejoinder, "Here, have another beer you officious, self-righteous and rude putz!"

At least that wouldn't have been a waste of good beer, which would be otherwise meaningless.

[surreptitious57]

It will all be meaningless in a thousand years time

A thousand tears ago our ancestors were arguing about some bullshit pertinent to them but now they are all dead
Now we are arguing about some bullshit pertinent to us but we shall be dead in a thousand years too just like them
Then our descendants will be arguing about some bullshit pertinent to them before they eventually go on to die also
So time may change and bullshit may change too but one thing does not and that is the fact we will all die in the end
So raise a glass to time and bullshit and death : the three things which connect all human beings both now and for ever

[jamest]

It will all be meaningless in a thousand years time

A thousand tears ago our ancestors were arguing about some bullshit pertinent to them but now they are all dead
Now we are arguing about some bullshit pertinent to us but we shall be dead in a thousand years too just like them
Then our descendants will be arguing about some bullshit pertinent to them before they eventually go on to die also
So time may change and bullshit may change too but one thing does not and that is the fact we will all die in the end
So raise a glass to time and bullshit and death : the three things which connect all human beings both now and for ever

The same issues of reality, meaning and purpose, have and will plague intelligent beings forever. Please don't pretend that debates such as these are a relatively recent event. The only thing that has changed is the way in which we have answered and responded to these issues.

In other words, a thousand years from now people will still be discussing the issues of reality, meaning and purpose. And you know what, there's no longer anything that science can tell us which will make that conversation evolve to anything different to the one I've just been involved with. That is, science is not your man.

[jamest]

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