Election 2016 Thread

[piscator]

Bernie Sanders vows to work with Hillary Clinton as Democrats move toward party unity

Washington (CNN)Democrats took giant steps toward party unity Thursday as Bernie Sanders vowed to work together with Hillary Clinton to defeat Donald Trump in November and President Barack Obama formally endorsed Clinton for president.

Sanders' decision to continue his White House bid even after Clinton became the party's presumptive presidential nominee has had Democrats on high alert as they seek to quickly change gears and take on Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. Sanders' first explicit promise on Thursday to join forces with Clinton to take on the Republicans will help quell concerns among Democrats about divisions in the party.
Emerging from the White House after a meeting with Obama that lasted more than an hour, Sanders warned that a Trump presidency would be a "disaster" and that he would "work as hard as I can to make sure that Donald Trump does not become president of the United States."

"I look forward to meeting with (Clinton) in the near future to see how we can work together to defeat Donald Trump and to create a government which represents all of us and not just the 1%," Sanders told reporters.
The senator thanked both Obama and Vice President Joe Biden for showing "impartiality" during the course of the Democratic campaign.
"They said in the beginning that they would not put their thumb on the scales and they kept their word and I appreciate that very, very much," Sanders said.
He added that he will monitor a "full counting of the votes" in California, where Clinton won the Democratic primary contest on Tuesday. The results will show "a much closer vote," Sanders predicted.

In a press briefing Thursday afternoon, White House spokesman Josh Earnest described the meeting as a "friendly conversation that was focused on the future," and said Obama congratulated Sanders on his "remarkable accomplishment" in the Democratic race.
Shortly after the meeting, the White House released a video in which Obama enthusiastically backed Clinton and acknowledged the historic achievement of her becoming the first woman to win a major party's presidential nomination. He will join Clinton on the campaign trail for the first time next week in Wisconsin.
"I don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office," Obama said in the video of Clinton, whom he defeated eight years ago.
He also thanked Sanders in the video for running an "incredible campaign" and for shining a spotlight on issues such as economic inequality and the influence of money in politics.

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[pErvinalia]

With hispanics, Trump has never suggested that spanish speaking people are in any way bad or undesirable. He has only spoken out against illegal aliens.

"I have a Mexican judge. He’s of Mexican heritage. He should have recused himself, not only for that, for other things." Should have recused himself for being of Mexican heritage? I don't think judge Gonzalo P. Curiel is an illegal migrant. He's not even a migrant of any description, having been born in Indiana to naturalised parents.

I am really sick and tired of Euros and Ozzie/NZ-ers on this point -- you folks don't tolerate illegal immigration into your countries.

And what is it with this tu quoque argument again? Are you telling us to stfu for the same reason you do not?

He is jealous that other countries have it under control.

Indeed. I am quite certain that a Russian or Mexican found having entered the Netherlands without any inspection/visa/or permission would quite likely be asked to leave. I am jealous that they can do that without being racist.

But, the reality is, yes, other countries seem to be allowed to control their borders. An American politician is somehow labeled racist for suggesting that people who entered the country illegally, with no visa, no visa waiver card, no inspection, nothing, ought to leave.

My problem with the illegal immigrant thing re Trump is the demonising language. I don't have any problem with a country having control over it's borders. I've always found the US situation weird and been of the view that illegal immigration is tolerated as it allows a cheap labour force. That is, it fits the neoliberal ethos and is essentially a way to offshore more jobs, but by "inshoring" instead.

[pErvinalia]

With hispanics, Trump has never suggested that spanish speaking people are in any way bad or undesirable. He has only spoken out against illegal aliens.

"I have a Mexican judge. He’s of Mexican heritage. He should have recused himself, not only for that, for other things." Should have recused himself for being of Mexican heritage? I don't think judge Gonzalo P. Curiel is an illegal migrant. He's not even a migrant of any description, having been born in Indiana to naturalised parents.

He's referring to the bias of being a member of an organization which is boycotting his company. The Mexican heritage bit relates to the guy being a member of what Trump says are La Raza related organizations. Indelicately worded. Curiel is American born, for sure.

Trump did not say anything of the sort. He said he should have recused himself because he is of Mexican heritage. If Trump did not mean it, he would have left that out of his list of why he should have recused himself, and mentioned the ones you did, but he did not. Your evasions and twisting of facts are getting out of hand, and I'm getting quite sick of it. So, do fuck off, you mealy-mouthed fuckwit. You're doing your best with your underhanded spin-doctoring, combined with your pathetic aggressive defensiveness and your sarcasm that's as flat as a steamrolled cockroach to change the minds of those who like the US and its inhabitants.

I'm glad to see someone else is finally getting sick of his shit.

[pErvinalia]

I'll be bringing over an immigrant wife too in a year and a half.
But since she can't fake a Spanish accent I'll have to follow the legal way

Are you marrying Pauline Hanson, by chance?

[laklak]

Break out the checkbook, tyr. The green card is the hard part, worth paying a lawyer to do. The citizenship bit you can do yourself. Took us 5 years but we managed. PM if you need any info, no point in reinventing the wheel. I think 42 did it too?

[piscator]

Where do you guys buy your wives?

[pErvinalia]

She's the Aussie,, I'm assuming. We are number one best lapdog in US world! She should be able to get in with a tick and flick!

[Tyrannical]

I'll be bringing over an immigrant wife too in a year and a half.
But since she can't fake a Spanish accent I'll have to follow the legal way

Are you marrying Pauline Hanson, by chance?

No, but my gf is a fan of hers

[pErvinalia]

Gaahh, of course she is.

[Forty Two]

[Forty Two]

My problem with the illegal immigrant thing re Trump is the demonising language. I don't have any problem with a country having control over it's borders. I've always found the US situation weird and been of the view that illegal immigration is tolerated as it allows a cheap labour force. That is, it fits the neoliberal ethos and is essentially a way to offshore more jobs, but by "inshoring" instead.

Well, what language, specifically? We'll build a nice wall, with a big, beautiful welcoming front door (through which people will legally apply for entry)?

And, to the extent that the hiring of illegals is allowing employers to hire undocumented workers, it absolutely allows them to underpay, which is another good reason to control the border.

[Forty Two]

Break out the checkbook, tyr. The green card is the hard part, worth paying a lawyer to do. The citizenship bit you can do yourself. Took us 5 years but we managed. PM if you need any info, no point in reinventing the wheel. I think 42 did it too?

My wife is foreign born, but I met her in the States.

[Forty Two]

With hispanics, Trump has never suggested that spanish speaking people are in any way bad or undesirable. He has only spoken out against illegal aliens.

"I have a Mexican judge. He’s of Mexican heritage. He should have recused himself, not only for that, for other things." Should have recused himself for being of Mexican heritage? I don't think judge Gonzalo P. Curiel is an illegal migrant. He's not even a migrant of any description, having been born in Indiana to naturalised parents.

He's referring to the bias of being a member of an organization which is boycotting his company. The Mexican heritage bit relates to the guy being a member of what Trump says are La Raza related organizations. Indelicately worded. Curiel is American born, for sure.

Trump did not say anything of the sort. He said he should have recused himself because he is of Mexican heritage. If Trump did not mean it, he would have left that out of his list of why he should have recused himself, and mentioned the ones you did, but he did not. Your evasions and twisting of facts are getting out of hand, and I'm getting quite sick of it. So, do fuck off, you mealy-mouthed fuckwit. You're doing your best with your underhanded spin-doctoring, combined with your pathetic aggressive defensiveness and your sarcasm that's as flat as a steamrolled cockroach to change the minds of those who like the US and its inhabitants.

I'm glad to see someone else is finally getting sick of his shit.

Well, folks who reorganize quotes and take them out of all context are bound to be sick of being called on their nonsense.

[pErvinalia]

My problem with the illegal immigrant thing re Trump is the demonising language. I don't have any problem with a country having control over it's borders. I've always found the US situation weird and been of the view that illegal immigration is tolerated as it allows a cheap labour force. That is, it fits the neoliberal ethos and is essentially a way to offshore more jobs, but by "inshoring" instead.

Well, what language, specifically? We'll build a nice wall, with a big, beautiful welcoming front door (through which people will legally apply for entry)?

The rapists and murderers thing.

And, to the extent that the hiring of illegals is allowing employers to hire undocumented workers, it absolutely allows them to underpay, which is another good reason to control the border.

Unless you are part of the capitalist class and believe in supply-side economics.

[Forty Two]

You should be able to do better than to be a partisan hack in the service of a lowlife fraud so obviously unfit for the job his monstrous ego has nonetheless demanded of him.

You're the only one being a partisan hack. You don't care about facts or detail or evidence or proof. You just assume the the plaintiffs in the Trump U case are correct, and you assume there is some wrongdoing in Texas because the AG did not prosecute a defunct corporation.

Granted, the complaints are worth looking into, and it is a worthy question to ask why did the AG drop the investigation. All I've said is that it is very plausible that the AG reviewed the matter, and made a call as to whether they were worth pursuing in light of the fact that the company left Texas and went away. Anyone familiar with investigations from those kinds of consumer protection departments knows that not all complaints filed are well-grounded, and not all well-grounded complaints are provable, and even when well-grounded and provable the system is lengthy and complex, so if the dollar figures at issue are not large, the AG may have bigger fish to fry with limited resources.

At least I acknowledge the worth of looking into the allegations, and at least I'm open to seeing the proof of wrongdoing. A partisan hack like yourself simply refuses to do even that when it comes to Hillary Clinton (e.g., the FBI investigation into her email server issues). If you would even acknowledge that the matter has some potential merit, depending on the outcome of the investigation, I'd eat my hat.