Agreed.
However, that makes Snowden something other than a traitor.
Whistleblowers are heroes.
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Re: Whistleblowers are heroes.
What about those that sell their souls for gin? Where do those fine, upstanding citizens fit in?JimC wrote:Some judgements can be made, however...Blind groper wrote:Re traitors
This is an entirely relative and individual definition. From the viewpoint of patriots for Britain, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and all their ilk were traitors. If caught by the redcoats, they would have been put up in front of a firing squad as traitors. On the other hand, Benedict Arnold was a patriot. A fine human being.
It is all in your personal definiton.
There is a significant ethical difference between those who betray their group/nation for financial gain, vs those who do so on some matter of principle, whether that may appear misguided or not.
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Re: Whistleblowers are heroes.
No it doesn't. He's a traitor. As I said, what he stole and released was not only intended to reveal government wrongdoing, it was done to cause harm to the United States and to give aid to our enemies. Just today the NSA spoke out about the massive amounts of top secret heavily encrypted vital intelligence information that Snowden is holding as a trump card against his arrest. The NSA believes that while the data may be secure at this moment because only three people in the world have the codes, which change daily, the Chinese and Russians both have the cryptographic expertise to break the encryption if the data falls into their hands.Blind groper wrote:Agreed.
However, that makes Snowden something other than a traitor.
This is not the act of a patriot seeking to reveal government wrongdoing and corruption. He's a traitor and he needs to die for it. Maybe the Mossad will do us a favor (though why they should given Obama's Chamberlainesque surrender to Iran) and do to him what they did to Arafat.
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Re: Whistleblowers are heroes.
Nobody gives a shit about their souls. Now, espionage information...that's a different matter entirely.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:What about those that sell their souls for gin? Where do those fine, upstanding citizens fit in?JimC wrote:Some judgements can be made, however...Blind groper wrote:Re traitors
This is an entirely relative and individual definition. From the viewpoint of patriots for Britain, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and all their ilk were traitors. If caught by the redcoats, they would have been put up in front of a firing squad as traitors. On the other hand, Benedict Arnold was a patriot. A fine human being.
It is all in your personal definiton.
There is a significant ethical difference between those who betray their group/nation for financial gain, vs those who do so on some matter of principle, whether that may appear misguided or not.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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Re: Whistleblowers are heroes.
Such an excellent bargain! A non-existent fantasy in exchange for the prince of alcohols!Xamonas Chegwé wrote:What about those that sell their souls for gin? Where do those fine, upstanding citizens fit in?JimC wrote:Some judgements can be made, however...Blind groper wrote:Re traitors
This is an entirely relative and individual definition. From the viewpoint of patriots for Britain, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and all their ilk were traitors. If caught by the redcoats, they would have been put up in front of a firing squad as traitors. On the other hand, Benedict Arnold was a patriot. A fine human being.
It is all in your personal definiton.
There is a significant ethical difference between those who betray their group/nation for financial gain, vs those who do so on some matter of principle, whether that may appear misguided or not.
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