Yet more problematic stuff

[Hermit]

He really is a plagariser of Jordan Peterson.

Not at all. Coito Two may well be expressing opinions that look similar or even identical to Petersen, but he has expressed them unchangingly since well before the Toronto professor was known to anyone outside his own underpants.

Bollox. Coito was never this way. It's only when he came back as 42 after been to 4Chan or where ever he was he came back as an Alt-Right NPC.

I remember his posts about women, socialism and so forth too well. The substance of what he argues has never changed. Only his style has. It has become a lot more shrill and strident.

[Animavore]

Be a bit less careful, and you end up like Tommy Robinson.

Tommy Robinson is a racist shitbag. I'm nothing like him.

I've heard people say that about him, but as to his own words, he sounds like he hates Islam, and certain crimes against children.

Maybe you saw the racist parts, but I didn't. I saw some really irregular legal proceedings, brought to us by the country who arrests people for 'mis-gendering' on twitter.

Well you should accept that you are wrong. He’s a racist shit bag first and foremost.

Very recently I have decided to drop accusations of racism, at least in most cases. Most racists are sufficiently skilled dogwhistlers to plausibly - though by no means convincingly - deny that they are. I am content to show them up as xenophobes. It is a lot more difficult for them to deny that they are that, and for almost all intents and purposes it amounts to much the same. One need not be a racist in order to march down the street with Tiki torches and recite "Jews will not replace us" in unison, or even approve of them being gassed. Xenophobia can take one that far.

Yeah, but, he is a racist shitbag who hangs around with and employs as security guards actual Nazis with Swastika tattoos and everything.

[Animavore]

He really is a plagariser of Jordan Peterson.

Not at all. Coito Two may well be expressing opinions that look similar or even identical to Petersen, but he has expressed them unchangingly since well before the Toronto professor was known to anyone outside his own underpants.

Bollox. Coito was never this way. It's only when he came back as 42 after been to 4Chan or where ever he was he came back as an Alt-Right NPC.

I remember his posts about women, socialism and so forth too well. The substance of what he argues has never changed. Only his style has. It has become a lot more shrill and strident.

I don't remember him ever been such an embarrassment to himself by making shit arguments defending the indefensible. He's on the level of creationist these days with his arguments, arguing black is white.

[Animavore]

Or to put it succinctly; he used to argue against Seth. Now he is.

[Hermit]

Tommy Robinson is a racist shitbag. I'm nothing like him.

I've heard people say that about him, but as to his own words, he sounds like he hates Islam, and certain crimes against children.

Maybe you saw the racist parts, but I didn't. I saw some really irregular legal proceedings, brought to us by the country who arrests people for 'mis-gendering' on twitter.

Well you should accept that you are wrong. He’s a racist shit bag first and foremost.

Very recently I have decided to drop accusations of racism, at least in most cases. Most racists are sufficiently skilled dogwhistlers to plausibly - though by no means convincingly - deny that they are. I am content to show them up as xenophobes. It is a lot more difficult for them to deny that they are that, and for almost all intents and purposes it amounts to much the same. One need not be a racist in order to march down the street with Tiki torches and recite "Jews will not replace us" in unison, or even approve of them being gassed. Xenophobia can take one that far.

Yeah, but, he is a racist shitbag who hangs around with and employs as security guards actual Nazis with Swastika tattoos and everything.

I know, he's a lying, whistleblowing, racist fuck.





It's just a waste of time proving it to those who wish it weren't true when their xenophobia shows them up to be as bad as their racism.

[Animavore]

I guess that's true. It's like flat-Earthers doing good science themselves to prove the Earth is flat and when it shows them wrong they reason it away.

[Hermit]

Or to put it succinctly; he used to argue against Seth. Now he is.

Seth is in a class on his own. For example Coito Two's objection to universal, tax funded health care is based on pragmatic grounds. He says government run health care is, and always be more expensive, citing the increase of costs he has suffered from Obama's implementation of the the Affordable Care Act. Seth's objection is based on ideological grounds, which resulted in some incredibly absurd moralistic outbursts, like "Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews, which is to say it's morally indefensible."

[Animavore]

My bet is there is an ideological reason behind 42's supposed reasoning. He's got to know anecdotal evidence is shit. Suggesting an ulterior motive.

[rainbow]

I am not conservative or right wing - I'm classical liberal and tend to the libertarian - and I am liberal on most issues.

Drivel. Liberal implies a tolerance of other views and creeds. That includes Islam.

It is really a twatty thing to do to contradict oneself.

I'm not sure I can be tolerant of Islam, but I can be tolerant of muslims...

The hair is split. Islam is the creed, Muslims follow that belief system to varying degrees.

[Brian Peacock]

Windows smashed at five mosques in Birmingham

Counter-terrorism police are investigating after windows were smashed at five mosques in Birmingham.

West Midlands police were first called at 2.32am to a mosque on Birchfield Road, Perry Barr, where a man was reported to be breaking windows with a sledgehammer. Officers arrived to find that the incident had happened some time earlier.

They were next alerted at 3.14am to activity at another mosque, in Slade Road, Erdington. Following confirmation of that incident, a decision was taken to check on other mosques, and similar damage was found at buildings in Witton Road, Aston, and nearby on The Broadway

On Thursday morning, police discovered that a mosque on Albert Road had also had its windows smashed, and they are treating this attack as linked to the earlier incidents.

The home secretary, Sajid Javid, said the incidents were “deeply concerning and distressing”. He tweeted: “@WMPolice are investigating motive but let me be clear – hateful behaviour has absolutely no place in our society and will never be accepted.”..

It's political correctness having mental health issues - 'islamaphobia laws' mean you can't even put the windows of Mosques in without being called a terrorist or the Home Secretary accusing you of a so-called hate crime. They'll be telling us we can't call the Catholics kiddy-fiddlers next.

[Hermit]

My bet is there is an ideological reason behind 42's supposed reasoning. He's got to know anecdotal evidence is shit. Suggesting an ulterior motive.

Everybody's reasoning is ideological. Arguing whether it is founded on practical or moral grounds is a bit akin to asking what came first - the chicken or the egg. I prefer to argue along pragmatic lines, and in that regard compare Seth's current signature, "All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" with Coito Two's "If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists". (My bolding)

[Animavore]

Yes, but both start from a position of irrational anti-socialism and free market fundamentalism. We're talking about two guys who would rather environmental ruin than ideological compromise. The only difference I see is delivery of style. 42 is a bit more self aware and mostly tries not to sound like a crank (except when he slips up and shows his true position like when he called SJWs "evil" and the way he beats around the bush when being pushed to apply the same standards to Nazis) when expounding pure crankery.

[Forty Two]

I am not conservative or right wing - I'm classical liberal and tend to the libertarian - and I am liberal on most issues.

Drivel. Liberal implies a tolerance of other views and creeds. That includes Islam.

It is really a twatty thing to do to contradict oneself.

I am tolerant of Islam. Followers of Islam have every right to practice their religion as they see fit to the same extent as Christians, Jews, and any other religious denomination or sect.

Tolerance doesn't mean we like or agree with everything others do. If it did, then you'd have the same tolerance for Republicans and Trump supporters and conservatives as you claim I'm supposed to have for Islam.

I am very tolerant, but that doesn't mean I have to like intolerant religions. Islam is authoritarian and totalitarian in nature - it demands obedience and submission, and claims to be the one faith that all humanity must follow. It is overall misogynistic and homophobic and racist -- all of which sentiments and ideas people are free to have in a free society - however, it is not my obligation to like them - I tolerate them, just as I tolerate right wing extremist assholes, fuckwit Creationist and "Intelliegent Design" morons, homeopathy devotees, believers and ghosts and the paranormal, astrology weirdos, dumbass "crystal" and "dreamcatcher" fools, evangelical Christian biblical "literalists", and Catholic "One True Faith" silliness....

How tolerant are you of devout Christian literalists who donate money to anti-LGBT groups and oppose same-sex marriage? Would you say super-tolerant?

[Svartalf]

There's is an extreme fringe (which show up in my facebook feed from time to time) who will defend Islam to the hilt. These are what one would call Social Justice Warriors. They are utterly predictable in what fires them up. It is a case of "oppressed minority by the hegemonic west, therefore I'm on their side". They shit me to tears. Most of them are probably atheists too and should really feel uncomfortable siding with any religion, let alone one that is as barbaric as Islam. Oh wait, the barbarism isn't the religion, it's all society (i.e. the west's fault), man. But again, they are a fringe. But we do know how 42 gets all worked up by that fringe. So much so as to proclaim that they are taking over society!!1

What makes it difficult for the left is that the racist anti-immigration element of the right wing is so vociferously against muslims of any stripe that you have a pendulum swing to the other extreme. It is sometimes difficult to express a robust criticism of Islam without being placed in the same category as the racists.

well, sometimes, it just takes some courage to put up with the label that small minds will stick on you.

[Svartalf]

I am not conservative or right wing - I'm classical liberal and tend to the libertarian - and I am liberal on most issues.

Drivel. Liberal implies a tolerance of other views and creeds. That includes Islam.

It is really a twatty thing to do to contradict oneself.

Camille Desmoulins, a famous revolutionary, once said "there must be no freedom for the foes of freedom". Islam, especially in its modern, totalitarian forms, will not grant others the tolerance that liberal thinkers normally grant those of diverging opinions, ergo, it must be expunged rather than tolerated.