I find that an interesting and compelling quantum of evidence of the religiosity of Atheists. If Atheists actually have "no belief" about God, why do they spend so much time studying the word of God and arguing about it?rEvolutionist wrote:I love it when atheists know the bible better than Christians!
Well, repealed and reenacted in part anyway...Forty Two wrote:Jesus repealed the Ten Commandments? Nice!Seth wrote: Nope. Christ changed the rules with his sacrifice, which was the entire point of his life and death. When he died and was resurrected (according to Christianity) all those old laws were repealed and new ones put in place.
This interpretation would cause the majority of theologians to have apoplexy!Seth wrote:
...Prior to his sacrifice God was indeed a jealous and often vindictive god who destroyed entire populations as retribution for their sins. But God changed his mind...
The source you linked to does not say what you claim it says. On the contrary. The very first sentence reads: "The Qur'an ... does not explicitly mention abortion." As for the attempt to make a connection between the killing of children and abortion, that does not work either. The link you provided continues: "Do not kill your children for fear of poverty for it is We who shall provide sustenance for you as well as for them." (Surah, Al-An' am, 6:151). This Qur'anic reference is to killing already born children--usually girls. The text was condemning this custom."Seth wrote:The context of the thread is abortion, not the broader subject of birth control. I posted a quote from an Islamic religious authority demonstrating that as applied to "birth control by abortion" it is not true that Islam has "no strictures." It is, according to the authority cited, more than a little ambiguous whether Islam has "strictures" on abortion, therefore it is factually incorrect to say, or in this case evasively suggest that Islam has "no strictures" on abortion.
Well me personally I don't know shit about the bible. I've never been a Christian. But a lot of atheists were brought up Christian and it was through their study of the bible that they realised what a crock of shit it was. They usually know it better than practicing Christians.Seth wrote:I find that an interesting and compelling quantum of evidence of the religiosity of Atheists. If Atheists actually have "no belief" about God, why do they spend so much time studying the word of God and arguing about it?rEvolutionist wrote:I love it when atheists know the bible better than Christians!
Y'all sound like Yeshiva boys in your dedication to theology.
Know thine enemy...rEvolutionist wrote:Well me personally I don't know shit about the bible. I've never been a Christian. But a lot of atheists were brought up Christian and it was through their study of the bible that they realised what a crock of shit it was. They usually know it better than practicing Christians.Seth wrote:I find that an interesting and compelling quantum of evidence of the religiosity of Atheists. If Atheists actually have "no belief" about God, why do they spend so much time studying the word of God and arguing about it?rEvolutionist wrote:I love it when atheists know the bible better than Christians!
Y'all sound like Yeshiva boys in your dedication to theology.
premier.org.uk wrote:Catholic church urges no change to abortion law in Northern Ireland
The Catholic church in Northern Ireland is asking the attorney general to appeal against a legal ruling, which allows women to terminate their pregnancy in cases of rape, incest and fatal abnormality in the foetus.
The judgement was issued in November and the attorney general is currently considering whether to appeal.
The Catholic Church was recognised as an 'interested party', which gives it the right to be heard in court, and is arguing that there are many reasons for the ruling to be challenged.
The Secretary of the Catholic Council for Social Affairs, Tim Bartlett, said that even though rape is "the most heinous of crimes, the answer is not to take the life of an innocent third party. The challenge is to give that person every possible support and care."
The church also disagrees with the judge's claim that there is no life to be protected in cases of so-called fatal foetal abnormality.
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rt.com wrote:Legal tightrope’: N. Irish medics fear life imprisonment over abortion advice
Medics in Northern Ireland are anxious they could face imprisonment for offering advice to women who are seeking an abortion, healthcare leaders have warned.
Doctors are fearful the provision of advice about abortion clinics in England could prove illegal under Northern Irish law.
The number of legal abortions being conducted in the region has dropped by fifty percent over the past 24 months because doctors and midwives are alarmed by punitive guidelines concerning abortion in the jurisdiction.
The guidelines were published in early 2013 by Northern Ireland’s health minister Edwin Poots.
“It is important for practitioners to appreciate that anyone who unlawfully performs a termination of pregnancy is liable to criminal prosecution with a maximum penalty of life imprisonment,” the document states.
Although the guidelines were never implemented, doctors told the Guardian they have had a “chilling effect” on healthcare staff who became reluctant to conduct abortions that previously would have been considered standard.
Speaking to the paper, Carolyn Bailie of the Northern Ireland committee of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists warned Northern Irish medics are living in a climate of fear.
“There is a real sense of fear and concern that one of us could end up in prison,” she said.
Chair of the Royal College of GPs in Northern Ireland John O’Kelly told the paper medics in Northern Ireland are walking “a legal tightrope.”
“It is difficult for us to advise our patients – if you offer them advice on who to contact, are you breaking the law? We don’t know,” he said.
... continues ... https://www.rt.com/uk/328011-abortion-a ... n-ireland/
Also, here's an interesting and informative article on the differences in abortion laws around the world, from bans to easy access.guardian.com wrote:To grasp the real meaning of the law on abortion in Northern Ireland, put out of mind the finger-jabbing abstractions of the Protestant politicians and the Catholic priests, and instead listen to the voices of the women who have lived with the practical consequences. This week they have been sharing their stories through the Guardian: tales of racking up debts to fund clinic fees in England, of lonely flights taken without the partner who should have been there to hold a hand, tales of seeking advice from doctors too fearful of prison to say anything useful, of sourcing illicit pills on the internet and fervently hoping that you’ve read the instructions right, and of the need to get your story straight before making a judgment about whether the bleeding has got to the point where A&E cannot be avoided.
Such terrible things are happening within the UK of 2016. One lesson is the sheer futility of presuming to second-guess the ethical and practical judgments that women make about their own wombs. However much a moralising lawmaker may wish to force a woman to carry on with a pregnancy she does not want, whatever obstacles he may put in the way of her taking control, he will often fail. When an unwanted pregnancy can warp a whole future, neither the travel costs nor the dangers of self-administered treatment will be a decisive deterrent, any more than the occasional horrors of the backstreet abortion prevented them happening back in Britain’s own Vera Drake days. The rest of the UK woke up to this reality half a century ago, with the Abortion Act of 1967. But such is the macho, sectarian politics of Northern Ireland that the province remains saddled with Victorian law, and indeed, in certain respects, the last few years have seen the regime of criminalisation become harsher.
A woman qualifies for an exceptional termination only where continuing with a pregnancy would render her a “physical or mental wreck”. As well as being shot through with misogyny, this anachronistic legal test is hopelessly ambiguous. And so it left doctors room, until a few years ago, to invoke maternal mental health in justifying the abortion of abnormal foetuses already fated not to survive. But after some alarmist noises from the attorney general, John Larkin – a man who once likened abortion of deformed foetuses to “putting a bullet in the back of the head of the child two days after it’s born” – the executive issued draft guidelines in 2013, which precluded any automatic exception for fatal foetal abnormalities, and also highlighted the legal threat hanging over practitioners giving advice. Although this was only draft policy, doctors were cowed, and the tiny number of abortions performed in the province dived in 2013-14. It was in this context, with the state effectively mandating women to go through with stillbirths, that a high court judge ruled in November that the near-blanket ban breached the Human Rights Act. It was, Mr Justice Horner explained, no use weighing the rights of the unborn child against the rights of the mother when that child was anyway doomed. It was not “unborn life” that was being protected, only the certainty of unborn death down the road.
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Same reason libertarians should spend time studying the writings of communists when they insist on criticising communism.Seth wrote:If Atheists actually have "no belief" about God, why do they spend so much time studying the word of God and arguing about it?
I demand that Seth spend several days reading Das Kapital!Hermit wrote:Same reason libertarians should spend time studying the writings of communists when they insist on criticising communism.Seth wrote:If Atheists actually have "no belief" about God, why do they spend so much time studying the word of God and arguing about it?
Actually, I spent a couple of weeks reading the whole turgid turd, which is how I discovered what a wanker and idiot Marx was.JimC wrote:I demand that Seth spend several days reading Das Kapital!Hermit wrote:Same reason libertarians should spend time studying the writings of communists when they insist on criticising communism.Seth wrote:If Atheists actually have "no belief" about God, why do they spend so much time studying the word of God and arguing about it?
It may infect him!
Over 2200 pages of it? Excuse me for being a bit sceptical. Your comments on Marxism betray not even a hint of understanding any of it.Seth wrote:Actually, I spent a couple of weeks reading the whole turgid turd, which is how I discovered what a wanker and idiot Marx was.JimC wrote:I demand that Seth spend several days reading Das Kapital!Hermit wrote:Same reason libertarians should spend time studying the writings of communists when they insist on criticising communism.Seth wrote:If Atheists actually have "no belief" about God, why do they spend so much time studying the word of God and arguing about it?
It may infect him!
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