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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:17 pm

The co-author of Donald Trump’s book The Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz, has revealed he feels a “deep sense of remorse” for portraying the mogul in a positive light and says he believes a Trump presidency may “lead to the end of civilisation”.

The Art of the Deal was published in 1987. It spent 48 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and has sold more than 1m copies. Trump, now the presumptive Republican party presidential candidate, was paid a $500,000 (£375,000) advance by publisher Random House. He split the sum with Schwartz and gave him half the royalties. However, in a new interview with the New Yorker, Schwartz talked extensively about the 18 months he spent working with Trump, and said he would have titled the book The Sociopath.

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is … I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilisation.”

Schwartz initially met Trump while interviewing him as a journalist. Talking to him again for a piece in Playboy in 1985, Trump told him about his book deal and Schwartz suggested he focus on his leadership style. Trump liked the idea and offered Schwartz the job, which he took to solve money troubles. “It was a huge windfall,” he told the New Yorker. “But I knew I was selling out. Literally, the term was invented to describe what I did.”
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Schwartz, who now runs a consulting firm, spent 18 months with Trump – in his office, helicopter, meeting rooms and in his Manhattan apartment and Florida estate on weekends. His first attempts to get Trump to participate in a series of traditional interviews did not work. Schwartz said discussion was consistently hobbled due to Trump’s short attention span, with Trump fidgeting until he’d ultimately call off the session. “It’s impossible to keep him focused on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandisement, for more than a few minutes,” Schwartz said. “If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time.”

Instead, Schwartz suggested he shadow Trump while he worked, an idea the mogul loved. The writer spent days listening to Trump’s conversations with lawyers, bankers and reporters on an extension line eight feet away from Trump, without their knowing, which Trump enjoyed. “If he could have had 300,000 people listening in, he would have been even happier,” Schwartz said.
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Schwartz told the New Yorker he found the process draining and said that he had made a concerted effort to make Trump appear “a sympathetic character” in order to ensure the book’s success, rather than “just hateful or, worse yet, a one-dimensional blowhard”. He said he purposely left out unflattering details of Trump’s character and business, including the knowledge that Trump had lied to him about the success of his casinos and hotels. The Trump Taj Mahal and Trump Plaza Hotel would subsequently both file for bankruptcy.

After the book’s success, Trump offered Schwartz the opportunity to write a sequel, for a third of the profits. Schwartz turned it down and instead wrote a book by himself, called What Really Matters.

He said he decided to speak out after Trump announced his candidacy in June 2015, with a speech in Trump Tower that included the line: “We need a leader that wrote The Art of the Deal.”

"I wrote the Art of the Deal. Donald Trump read it."

“If he could lie about that on Day One – when it was so easily refuted – he is likely to lie about anything,” Schwartz said.

Trump then told the New Yorker: “Wow. That’s great disloyalty, because I made Tony rich. He owes a lot to me. I helped him when he didn’t have two cents in his pocket. It’s great disloyalty. I guess he thinks it’s good for him—but he’ll find out it’s not good for him.”
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:46 pm

Animavore wrote:
eRvin wrote:I don't know. But all the ones that cross my path have the gap narrowing and only a few points apart now.
Don't know which ones you're looking at, but most of them show Trump barely keeping his head above water with a roughly 70/30% Hilary win.
Well those are the ones Trumpeters are following.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Tyrannical » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:50 pm

Latest LA Times, U southern California poll has Trump over clinton, 43 to 42.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:51 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Latest LA Times, U southern California poll has Trump over clinton, 43 to 42.
I wonder how much Trump paid for that?
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Seth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:53 pm

Tero wrote:But he is. He is just like every teaparty republican.
Which means he's not a delusional leftist/socialist/Marxist/Progressive thief who believes in obtaining equality of outcomes by stealing what others have worked hard(er) to earn.

I'm good with that.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Scot Dutchy » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:54 pm

He is a right wing turd machine that cant stop shiting everywhere.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by laklak » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:01 pm

Do NOT ignore this asshole, no matter what the opinion polls say. He got the nomination, which all the pundits said was impossible.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Animavore » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:04 pm

I knew the Trump crew would be in to try and defend and deny really quickly. This is part of what I'm going to spend the rest of the election period laughing at, as part of the whole Trump fail train.

I'm done arguing or entertaining his supporter's nonsense by engaging their delusions. Just sitting back with the popcorn and enjoying the show.
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Post by Seth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:09 pm

eRvin wrote: Schwartz said discussion was consistently hobbled due to Trump’s short attention span, with Trump fidgeting until he’d ultimately call off the session. “It’s impossible to keep him focused on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandisement, for more than a few minutes,” Schwartz said. “If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time.”
Even if true, which I doubt, given the fact that Trump is one of the most successful businessmen in history, which hardly points to an inability to focus, I'd rather that then let that Machiavellian, psychotic, avaricious, mendacious lying cunt Hillary Clinton anywhere near the Oval Office. The President has legions of advisors who sift through the details and present him with the important stuff that the President actually needs to know and act upon, and Trump is absolutely qualified to make those decisions without wavering or fucking about like Clinton regularly does with important decisions...like sending military assets to Libya to protect our diplomats and employees. Fucking cowardly cunt.

I suspect that Schwartz is lying through his teeth and what he sees as a problem with Trump's ability to focus is actually nothing more than Trump thinking a lot faster than Schwartz and prioritizing efficiently to focus on what's actually important rather than what Schwartz wanted to talk about. The ability to take in and sort incoming information and ignore the irrelevant in order to focus on the essential is a trait Trump demonstrates regularly. If you ever watched "The Apprentice" you'd see that he doesn't put up with bullshit, poseurs, mendacity or attempts to weasel around the truth. He cut to the core of the issue with a precision and focus that's actually rather astonishing and he rejects the miasma of blame-shifting and attempts to justify that the candidates tried on him, and then he made a decision, announced it, and moved on to the next issue without a backwards glance, expecting those who work for him to do what they have been told to do.

All of the women who actually work for Trump are admiring and complimentary of his demeanor and character and admire his ability to get things done without all the bullshit. The ones who don't like him are the ugly twats who don't work for him and don't like him anyway (like Hillary Clinton) who insult and berate him for being a male who is unafraid to pursue and compliment beautiful women.

I'd rather elect another Ronald Reagan, but given that choice is unavailable I'd rather elect Mickey Mouse than that utterly corrupt bitch Hillary Clinton.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Seth » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:11 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:He is a right wing turd machine that cant stop shiting everywhere.
Well then I guess the political left will eat his shit and smile as they do so because they won't have a choice.

I'm good with that.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:30 pm

Nate Silver's outfit, fivethirtyeight.com -- http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/201 ... -forecast/ Has Hillary with a 61% chance of beating Trump.

National polls mean something between jack and squat.

What matters is the state-by-state electoral map. Hillary has the edge, clearly. Trump is the underdog. In order to win, most likely scenarios involve Trump winning the usual "red" states, plus taking the purple states like Florida and Ohio.

This year, the long shot ace-in-the-hole for Trump could be New York. Trump is very popular in New York, and it is unclear at the moment whether he can win it. It hasn't gone Republican since 1984. The wild card here is that New Yorkers and New Jersians are steeped in Trump, unlike furreners and folks from the rest of the country. If he gives Hillary a run for her money in New York, then he may well be able to win it, or drag some other states, like New Jersey and Pennsylvania over.

At the GOP convention, he placed New York and California's delegations right up front and center. The point is to place those states in play, and send the message that he is not content with fighting over purple states. He is going for the heart of Democrat blue country. That's his chance to win, and he knows it.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Animavore » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:32 pm

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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Tyrannical » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:44 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Latest LA Times, U southern California poll has Trump over clinton, 43 to 42.
I wonder how much Trump paid for that?
Must have been a bunch of illegal alien trump supporters as that's all you'll find in LA and their college.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Tyrannical » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:55 pm

Polls don't matter much, until the first debate. Where Trump will blame the Clinton's for 9/11 (and rightly so) and Hillary for ISIS and the Syrian refugee crisis (and rightly so). Then there's wall street puppet, selling classified information and favors to clinton foundation supporters, like the no body she tried to get on the nuclear weapons committee thing, the illegal email server with above top secret info on it. Followed by how many non vetted Syrian ISIS terrorists she wants to give welfare for life to.
Oh, and tiffany trump is way hotter than Miley cyrus.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:53 pm

Trump may beat Hillary, "like a baby seal."
“Working class whites in the South have already departed the Democratic Party for cultural reasons. Well the working class whites in the North are now deserting the Democrats because of economic reasons,” Mudcat told TheDC. He added, “this is the new age of economic populism, man. This is about survival for a lot of people.”
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“I know a ton of Democrats — male, female, black and white — here [in southern Virginia] who are going to vote for Trump. It’s all because of economic reasons. It’s because of his populist message,” Mudcat told The Daily Caller Wednesday.
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