Animavore wrote:Forty Two wrote:Not exactly. It's more like what Americans are told by Europeans, and applying that to the issue of walls to keep people out.
Not really. European countries are more ancient and have more defined cultures and languages they might want to protect. I think they have a far stronger case than some white immigrants in a country they obtained through spurious means while destroying the cultures and languages already in place telling other immigrants they can't come in because they don't agree with "American culture", whatever that even is, or because they're from the wrong continent, or wrong religion, while hypocritically claiming to be the land of the free and that they have a separation of church and state.
So, since the Europeans obtained their countries through spurious means while destroying the cultures and languages already in place a few hundred years before the United States was formed, they get to protect their cultures and languages justifiably. But, the US cannot have a culture and language it wants to protect... nice argument!
Every European country was conquered and re-conquered by different peoples over hundreds of years.
Just take England, which was Celtic - full of Britons (Brythons) and such. The Romans came in and Romanized it for 400 years. So, they "colonized" Britain. Then when the Roman army left, the Romanized Britons remained (with mangled DNA from all the mixing over the previous 400 years), and then the Angles, Saxons and Jutes migrated over and took over. Then later there was the Viking times and the "Danelaw" in England, where the Scandinavians colonized England. And, then there was the Norman invasion, followed by colonization from the French speaking Normans. A few hundred years later a new, revised, English culture emerged, and they took their turn out there colonizing places.
Animavore wrote:
I'm not saying I agree with Hungary, but they are a specific culture with a unique language and definitely have a stronger case than the mish-mash, ill-defined, melting pot of immigration that is the US of A.
Except that it, too, has a culture. It may be different than Hungary's culture, but it has one. And, it's not just "culture," that is at issue. Any nation has a right and a duty to maintain a secure border. Huge influxes of immigrant populations can devastate an economy as well as a culture, and there are issues of fairness, when you have a welfare state and the ability of large swaths of legal and illegal immigrants to come in and participate on the receiving end of welfare funds where they and their families have not paid into the system.
Animavore wrote:
As well as a stronger case than some colonialist, European countries like the Netherlands, Great Britain, France, Portugal and Spain, who really don't have much of a case to whine about members of their former colonies following them home after they upped and left them in ruins.
You're exempting Hungary from the list of colonialist "ruin-leaving" countries? LOL. That's rich. Hungary has just as much to own up to as any other colonialist powers - they were part of the Habsburg empires for hundreds of years.
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