Should Animals Bred For Food Have No Rights?

[Strontium Dog]

Animal rights are inconsistent with animals being bred for food. If you've made the decision to eat an animal, you've lowered its status to that of a potato. Would anyone argue for potato rights? Of course not. It's absurd.

Potatoes don't have feelings. So it's not absurd.

Why should feelings come into it? Feelings don't stop a meat-eater from treating an animal as if it were a feelingless vegetable.

"Humane treatment" is just about making meat-eaters feel better about themselves, like it somehow makes it okay for them to kill animals if it's relatively painless. Bucket of shite.

[laklak]

Well in that case fuck 'em. Stuff 'em in cages, beat them every day to tenderize the meat.

[JimC]

Good links, Gallstones. Temple Grandin FTW!

Strontium Dog wrote:

"Humane treatment" is just about making meat-eaters feel better about themselves, like it somehow makes it okay for them to kill animals if it's relatively painless. Bucket of shite.

Thanks for summarising your post so effectively.

[Strontium Dog]

Bloodshed is bloodshed. It would be odd if an animal murderer agreed with me, wouldn't it.

[DaveDodo007]

You can prise my steak from my cold dead hands...

Yeah, I'm sick of hearing this 'meat is murder' bullshit. The important thing is as you mentioned earlier. Humane treatment while alive, and a quick stress free and painless death.

That's nice in theory though how often does it happen in reality.

[DaveDodo007]

Well in that case fuck 'em. Stuff 'em in cages, beat them every day to tenderize the meat.

Suffering is fine as long as I have a good meal.

[JimC]

Well in that case fuck 'em. Stuff 'em in cages, beat them every day to tenderize the meat.

Suffering is fine as long as I have a good meal.

Your faculty for detecting "tongue firmly in cheek" seems to be atrophied...

Speaking of which, cold pressed ox tongue is damn tasty...

[pErvinalia]

Animal rights are inconsistent with animals being bred for food. If you've made the decision to eat an animal, you've lowered its status to that of a potato. Would anyone argue for potato rights? Of course not. It's absurd.

Potatoes don't have feelings. So it's not absurd.

Why should feelings come into it? Feelings don't stop a meat-eater from treating an animal as if it were a feelingless vegetable.

"Humane treatment" is just about making meat-eaters feel better about themselves, like it somehow makes it okay for them to kill animals if it's relatively painless. Bucket of shite.

You really are an intellectual midget. The point about feelings is whether they feel pain/sorrow/fear etc. Animals do, potatoes don't. Hence why your comparison is idiotic in the extreme. Moving on to your strawman about "humane treatment", no it's about making sure the animals have a pleasant enough life and don't suffer in death. Life in absence of either of those is not some special mystical thing. Only religionists and hysterical vegetarians/vegans like yourself believe such simple ideas.

[pErvinalia]

Bloodshed is bloodshed. It would be odd if an animal murderer agreed with me, wouldn't it.

And you are a plant murderer. See how easy it is to post idiotic nonsense?

[pErvinalia]

You can prise my steak from my cold dead hands...

Yeah, I'm sick of hearing this 'meat is murder' bullshit. The important thing is as you mentioned earlier. Humane treatment while alive, and a quick stress free and painless death.

That's nice in theory though how often does it happen in reality.

In Australia in terms of beef, and more and more increasingly pigs and chickens, they are treated well in life. Australia has plenty of space and free range is the norm for beef and pigs and becoming so for chickens. And in death, the links Gallstone's provides seems to suggest they are killed quickly and stress free. More could probably always be done, and thanks to those calling for more humane treatment of food animals (as opposed to those calling the humane treatment of animals as being idiotic) it is happening.

[laklak]

Well in that case fuck 'em. Stuff 'em in cages, beat them every day to tenderize the meat.

Suffering is fine as long as I have a good meal.

Your faculty for detecting "tongue firmly in cheek" seems to be atrophied...

Speaking of which, cold pressed ox tongue is damn tasty...

Bitch to make, though. Getting a fridge big enough for an ox is a non-trivial exercise (not to mention a major expense), and they keep spitting the tongue press out. If only there were a way to get the tongue out of the ox first...

[rainbow]

Well in that case fuck 'em. Stuff 'em in cages, beat them every day to tenderize the meat.

Suffering is fine as long as I have a good meal.

We in Africa find that missionaries taste a bit off, if they suffer too much. Pickling in rum sometimes improves the flavour.

[Animavore]

Bloodshed is bloodshed. It would be odd if an animal murderer agreed with me, wouldn't it.

murder
ˈməːdə/
noun
noun: murder; plural noun: murders

1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

You literally cannot murder an animal.

[Strontium Dog]

You really are an intellectual midget.

Go fuck yourself you horrible little man.

Is there an ignore facility here? If so, rEvolutionist is going on it until he can learn how to discuss things without resorting to insults.

[EDIT: Yes there is. Happy days. Now rEvolutionist can troll away to his heart's content. Good riddance.]

[tattuchu]

We're killing them and consuming their flesh, and we're worried about their feelings? Seems silly. I mean, we're already killing them and there's nothing worse than that, so why bother with treating them well? It's irrelevant now that we've labeled them as food.
But...I dunno. If consuming other creatures for sustenance is necessary (debatable, of course), then don't we have a responsibility to treat our fellow creatures well while they're alive? I think it's the least we can do, since we're going to kill them in the end. I think it's a matter of respect. We're not savages.*



*Well, um, despite the fact that we're killing animals and eating their flesh. But, er, besides that, I mean, we're not savages.