response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks

[Rum]

I have, inexplicably, missed this thread completely and now, having read through it I see that it is further (and completely unnecessary) confirmation that one side effect of the fantastic power of the Internet is that it gives a voice to people like Galaxian where previously they would, by day, be sitting on the street next to a dog playing a tin whistle for food and, by night, picking fights with invisible people before collapsing in to a bin, pissing themselves and crying themselves to sleep before the meths wears off whilst saying they could have been a somebody, but the world hates people who can only lift heavy stuff.

Actually you don't seem to have been around much lately. Been having fun somewhere else?

[Meekychuppet]

I have, inexplicably, missed this thread completely and now, having read through it I see that it is further (and completely unnecessary) confirmation that one side effect of the fantastic power of the Internet is that it gives a voice to people like Galaxian where previously they would, by day, be sitting on the street next to a dog playing a tin whistle for food and, by night, picking fights with invisible people before collapsing in to a bin, pissing themselves and crying themselves to sleep before the meths wears off whilst saying they could have been a somebody, but the world hates people who can only lift heavy stuff.

Actually you don't seem to have been around much lately. Been having fun somewhere else?

Work stuff. Trying to get as much funding in before the election.

[Galaxian]

When you read Galaxian's assertions, and every single one of them turns out to be something that was thoroughly disproved so many years ago, I think it's reasonable to conclude that he's a kid who has only recently been reading this stuff, and doesn't have the shared experience of the millions of us who watched it all unfold with our own eyes and ears on that day.
...As time goes on, more and more people who desperately want to be privy to special information (that they can make-believe the majority don't know or understand) are going to seek out evidence for something alternate to the history we experienced. And they're going to find millions of hours of these fictional videos on Youtube, and billions of words written by "truthers" that bear no relation to the reality of the day, and it is going to capture them.

Well, Randy you did NOT watch it unfold before your eyes. You just saw what you wanted to see; not the reality, but a delusional interpretation of the reality, like someone at a magic show who thinks the lady really was cut in half & put together again.
The evidence that you keep asking for, pretentiously, has been around you since the first videos of the tower collapses. But, as I said, you are not interested in the evidence, you just want affirmation of your bias, otherwise you wouldn't write the crap that you do about every single contention having been put to rest years ago.
It is wishful thinking that the new generation will tend towards accepting that 9/11 was the conspiracy that it was. The new generation are like the old generation; like you. They couldn't give a rat's arse who did 9/11 or how, or why...they want to party. They want excitement. They want to shoot some 'a-rabs'...any excuse will do.

[Meekychuppet]

When you read Galaxian's assertions, and every single one of them turns out to be something that was thoroughly disproved so many years ago, I think it's reasonable to conclude that he's a kid who has only recently been reading this stuff, and doesn't have the shared experience of the millions of us who watched it all unfold with our own eyes and ears on that day.
...As time goes on, more and more people who desperately want to be privy to special information (that they can make-believe the majority don't know or understand) are going to seek out evidence for something alternate to the history we experienced. And they're going to find millions of hours of these fictional videos on Youtube, and billions of words written by "truthers" that bear no relation to the reality of the day, and it is going to capture them.

Well, Randy you did NOT watch it unfold before your eyes. You just saw what you wanted to see; not the reality, but a delusional interpretation of the reality, like someone at a magic show who thinks the lady really was cut in half & put together again.
The evidence that you keep asking for, pretentiously, has been around you since the first videos of the tower collapses. But, as I said, you are not interested in the evidence, you just want affirmation of your bias, otherwise you wouldn't write the crap that you do about every single contention having been put to rest years ago.
It is wishful thinking that the new generation will tend towards accepting that 9/11 was the conspiracy that it was. The new generation are like the old generation; like you. They couldn't give a rat's arse who did 9/11 or how, or why...they want to party. They want excitement. They want to shoot some 'a-rabs'...any excuse will do.

You're an idiot.

[Rum]

When you read Galaxian's assertions, and every single one of them turns out to be something that was thoroughly disproved so many years ago, I think it's reasonable to conclude that he's a kid who has only recently been reading this stuff, and doesn't have the shared experience of the millions of us who watched it all unfold with our own eyes and ears on that day.
...As time goes on, more and more people who desperately want to be privy to special information (that they can make-believe the majority don't know or understand) are going to seek out evidence for something alternate to the history we experienced. And they're going to find millions of hours of these fictional videos on Youtube, and billions of words written by "truthers" that bear no relation to the reality of the day, and it is going to capture them.

Well, Randy you did NOT watch it unfold before your eyes. You just saw what you wanted to see; not the reality, but a delusional interpretation of the reality, like someone at a magic show who thinks the lady really was cut in half & put together again.
The evidence that you keep asking for, pretentiously, has been around you since the first videos of the tower collapses. But, as I said, you are not interested in the evidence, you just want affirmation of your bias, otherwise you wouldn't write the crap that you do about every single contention having been put to rest years ago.
It is wishful thinking that the new generation will tend towards accepting that 9/11 was the conspiracy that it was. The new generation are like the old generation; like you. They couldn't give a rat's arse who did 9/11 or how, or why...they want to party. They want excitement. They want to shoot some 'a-rabs'...any excuse will do.

You're an idiot.

That's a personal insult...but I concur!

[Tigger]

A thread like this is bound to engender negative opinions about people, but can we not resort to insults, please. Ta.

[Rum]

A thread like this is bound to engender negative opinions about people, but can we not resort to insults, please. Ta.

More a statement of fact really. However I shall desist.

[charlou]

Well, Randy you did NOT watch it unfold before your eyes. You just saw what you wanted to see; not the reality, but a delusional interpretation of the reality, like someone at a magic show who thinks the lady really was cut in half & put together again.
The evidence that you keep asking for, pretentiously, has been around you since the first videos of the tower collapses. But, as I said, you are not interested in the evidence, you just want affirmation of your bias, otherwise you wouldn't write the crap that you do about every single contention having been put to rest years ago.
It is wishful thinking that the new generation will tend towards accepting that 9/11 was the conspiracy that it was. The new generation are like the old generation; like you. They couldn't give a rat's arse who did 9/11 or how, or why...they want to party. They want excitement. They want to shoot some 'a-rabs'...any excuse will do.

You seem to think you can read thoughts and motives?

otherwise you wouldn't write the crap that you do

Play nice, thanks.

[Ian]

Let's forget the twin towers for a bit - I'd like to hear how Galaxian figures the conspirators got threee suicide crews to hijack planes... and then decided to use a cruise missile to hit the Pentagon. Let's hear it - how did they come up with that plan??

[Pappa]

Let's forget the twin towers for a bit - I'd like to hear how Galaxian figures the conspirators got threee suicide crews to hijack planes... and then decided to use a cruise missile to hit the Pentagon. Let's hear it - how did they come up with that plan??

It was CGI. The people who 'filmed' it were all Government stooges.

[Tigger]

Apologies to Rum and Meeky if they thought I was being selective: my suggestion was directed at everyone who was being rude, not them in particular. Good call with your last post, Charlou, sorry if I was ambiguous and not inclusive.

[Rum]

Apologies to Rum and Meeky if they thought I was being selective: my suggestion was directed at everyone who was being rude, not them in particular. Good call with your last post, Charlou, sorry if I was ambiguous and not inclusive.

Not a problem. I did break the rules..intentionally. And I apologise to the whole forum unreservedly.

Hail Marys all round later on, such is the level of my sincerity.

[owtth]

... You just saw what you wanted to see; not the reality, but a delusional interpretation of the reality........

.... you are not interested in the evidence, you just want affirmation of your bias.......

Oh lawdy!!

[Pappa]

Apologies to Rum and Meeky if they thought I was being selective: my suggestion was directed at everyone who was being rude, not them in particular. Good call with your last post, Charlou, sorry if I was ambiguous and not inclusive.

Not a problem. I did break the rules..intentionally. And I apologise to the whole forum unreservedly.

Hail Marys all round later on, such is the level of my sincerity.

[Coito ergo sum]

Well, Randy you did NOT watch it unfold before your eyes. You just saw what you wanted to see; not the reality, but a delusional interpretation of the reality, like someone at a magic show who thinks the lady really was cut in half & put together again.
The evidence that you keep asking for, pretentiously, has been around you since the first videos of the tower collapses.

Are you still hanging on to this "free fall speed" nonsense? They didn't fall at free fall speed.

But, as I said, you are not interested in the evidence, you just want affirmation of your bias,

You must be referring to yourself now.

otherwise you wouldn't write the crap that you do about every single contention having been put to rest years ago.
It is wishful thinking that the new generation will tend towards accepting that 9/11 was the conspiracy that it was. The new generation are like the old generation; like you. They couldn't give a rat's arse who did 9/11 or how, or why...they want to party. They want excitement. They want to shoot some 'a-rabs'...any excuse will do.

Well, my brother in law saw the second plane hit, live, from his office window. A friend of mine since college (a Muslim) was in building 7 that morning. An ex-girlfriend of mine was in NJ with a perfect view of the towers and also saw the second plane hit the towers. We have video tapes from dozens of independent sources, including people on the street who had handheld cameras. We have dozens of news outfits that all reported on the attacks, and all have footage of airplanes hitting the towers. We have cell phone logs. We have phone conversations between family members and people on the planes. We have air traffic controller records and other flight records, including radar. We have the admissions of Al Qaeta members, including bin Laden and others.

On your side, we have assertions that there were controlled demolitions of three buildings, the smallest of which would have been the largest controlled demolition of a building in American history, using "thermite" (a compound that has never once been used in controlled demolitions). There is no evidence that anyone ever rigged the buildings with explosives, despite thousands of potential witnesses every day. Normally buildings are completely gutted to allow proper wiring of the building for demolition, but none of that was done. So, two of the largest buildings in the nation and the world - many times taller than the current record-holder for the largest controlled demolition ever, plus another building (no. 7) which was about 3 times the size of the current record-holder for largest demolition (Hudson's Building, Detroit), were all taken down on the same day as part of some complex plan, and timed so that it would look like airplanes had hit the buildings and taken them down, and we have no evidence of any of it happening.

And, then you add to that another complex conspiracy about a plane being spirited away and a fake impact into the Pentagon being made, by using a cruse missile that nobody has seen, and for which there is no evidence.

And, there was, for good measure, another plane which was shot down in Pennsylvania, which the conspirators want us to think was headed for another building, but for some reason didn't want it to hit that other building, but rather wanted it to look like it went down in Pennsylvania.

And, you have the nerve - the temerity - the unmitigated gall - to suggest that we are the deluded ones? Dude, face it, you believe in this conspiracy nonsense because you wish it to be true, and for no other reason.