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Post by piscator » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:22 pm

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Forty Two wrote:Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage - marriage was to be only between a man and a woman. You have found a way to be comfortable with that. Good for you. Doesn't make anything "out of context." Stop pretending she doesn't say the shit she says. Next thing you know, you'll be saying her "landing under sniper fire" doozy was "taken out of context." LOL

And, there is a double standard -- have a Republican express amazement at a piece of modern technology, and he's an out of touch ignoramus. Hillary can claim to not know how to use email on a smartphone and she's a great gal.
The salience of your point is not clear to me. Yes, she used to think one thing and now she thinks another. I'm not denying anything she has said or is saying, I'm trying to understand why you seem to think she should be held accountable for a position she no longer holds??


Because he's a partisan hack and frustrated talk radio host who wants to construct a narrative of career criminality on Hillary's part in order to suck enough air out of the room in the hope that no one spends much time considering how Trump will be worse than anything America's ever seen.

Warren's issue is that the assholes he's been putting in office against Democrats aren't really good at much except working for lobbyists instead of him, so now he's willing to double down and vote for Joe Stalin rather than admit his fuckedup voting priorities and naive long-term investment in talk radio ideology are the problem.

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Attorney General Loretta Lynch Met Privately With Bill Clinton
The two were coincidentally at the Phoenix airport at the same time

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Post by JimC » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:41 am

Does she have a stain on her dress?
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Post by piscator » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:41 am

Part of the deal to keep Hillary out of Attica...

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Post by Forty Two » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:29 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Forty Two wrote:Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage - marriage was to be only between a man and a woman. You have found a way to be comfortable with that. Good for you. Doesn't make anything "out of context." Stop pretending she doesn't say the shit she says. Next thing you know, you'll be saying her "landing under sniper fire" doozy was "taken out of context." LOL

And, there is a double standard -- have a Republican express amazement at a piece of modern technology, and he's an out of touch ignoramus. Hillary can claim to not know how to use email on a smartphone and she's a great gal.
The salience of your point is not clear to me. Yes, she used to think one thing and now she thinks another. I'm not denying anything she has said or is saying, I'm trying to understand why you seem to think she should be held accountable for a position she no longer holds??
What you do with the information is up to you.

Plenty of people are held accountable to a view they no longer hold. Flip flopping on an issue fairly recently held can be either growth and evolution of an opinion, or it can be blowing with the political wind.

On the issue of gay marriage, it's often called "hateful" and "bigoted" to support civil unions but not marriage for same sex couples. If the suggestion that 6 or 7 or 8 years ago it wasn't "hateful and bigoted" but now it is, well, that's one position to take. Or another is that it's not hateful or bigoted at all. And, another is that when the other party's members does it, then it's hateful and bigoted, but when folks in the Democrat party did it, they were reasonably and thoughtfully evolving their positions.

There are several ways to look it.

Another point is that it's a meme, and all candidates are mocked and teased with memes that identify in short form an issue or criticism of them.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:03 pm

You have overloaded your point somewhat.
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Post by Forty Two » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:09 pm

I'll narrow it: Hillary Clinton is a dishonest crook who will say anything at any time to get elected. She is a neoconservative hawk, and is more Republican than Donald Trump.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Svartalf » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:22 pm

She only joined the dems because her boyfriend/husband was going to have a great career there... coat turning is no news in politics.
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Post by piscator » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:23 pm

In 1965, Rodham enrolled at Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.[20] During her freshman year, she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans;[21][22] with this Rockefeller Republican-oriented group,[23] she supported the elections to mayor of John Lindsay (New York City) and to U.S. senator of Edward Brooke (Massachusetts).[24] She later stepped down from this position, as her views changed regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War.[21] In a letter to her youth minister at this time, she described herself as "a mind conservative and a heart liberal".[25] In contrast to the 1960s current that advocated radical actions against the political system, she sought to work for change within it.[26][27]

In her junior year, Rodham became a supporter of the antiwar presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.[28] In early 1968, she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association and served through early 1969.[26][29] Following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students to recruit more black students and faculty.[28] In her student government role, she played a role in keeping Wellesley from being embroiled in the student disruptions common to other colleges.[26][30] A number of her fellow students thought she might some day become the first female President of the United States.[26]

To help her better understand her changing political views, Professor Alan Schechter assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference, and she attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program.[28] Rodham was invited by moderate New York Republican Representative Charles Goodell to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller's late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.[28] Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami. However, she was upset by the way Richard Nixon's campaign portrayed Rockefeller and by what she perceived as the convention's "veiled" racist messages, and left the Republican Party for good.[28] Rodham wrote her senior thesis, a critique of the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky, under Professor Schechter.[31] (Years later, while she was first lady, access to her thesis was restricted at the request of the White House and it became the subject of some speculation.[31])

In 1969, she graduated with a bachelor of arts,[32] with departmental honors in political science.[31] After some fellow seniors requested that the college administration allow a student speaker at commencement, she became the first student in Wellesley College history to speak at the event, following commencement speaker Senator Brooke.[29][33] Her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.[26][34][35] She was featured in an article published in Life magazine,[36] due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Brooke.[33] She also appeared on Irv Kupcinet's nationally syndicated television talk show as well as in Illinois and New England newspapers.[37] That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthful conditions).[38]

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Rodham then entered Yale Law School. There she served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.[39] During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center,[40] learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973).[41][42] She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale–New Haven Hospital[41] and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free legal advice for the poor.[40] In the summer of 1970 she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. There she researched migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.[43] Edelman later became a significant mentor.[44] Rodham was recruited by political advisor Anne Wexler to work on the 1970 campaign of Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Joseph Duffey, with Rodham later crediting Wexler with providing her first job in politics.[45]

In the late spring of 1971 she began dating Bill Clinton, also a law student at Yale. That summer she interned at the Oakland, California, law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein.[46] The firm was well known for its support of constitutional rights, civil liberties, and radical causes (two of its four partners were current or former Communist Party members);[46] Rodham worked on child custody and other cases.[nb 3] Clinton canceled his original summer plans in order to live with her in California;[50] the couple continued living together in New Haven when they returned to law school.[47] The following summer, Rodham and Clinton campaigned in Texas for unsuccessful 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern.[51] She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973,[32] having stayed on an extra year to be with Clinton.[52] He first proposed marriage to her following graduation but she declined, uncertain if she wanted to tie her future to his.[52]

Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.[53] Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973.[54] Discussing the new children's rights movement, it stated that "child citizens" were "powerless individuals"[55] and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but that instead courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis.[56] The article became frequently cited in the field.[57]

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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:47 pm

Forty Two wrote:She is a neoconservative hawk, and is more Republican than Donald Trump.
So you'll be voting for her I guess?
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Post by Forty Two » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:28 pm

Of course not, because I am neither a neoconservative, nor a hawk. One of the main reasons I am pulling for Trump is that he is very much opposed to mainstream, right-wing Republican on the major issues. When people bemoan him destroying the Republican party we've known for 20 years, I ask what in the world are you bemoaning? Is that not a point in his favor?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:33 pm

I guess that means the Republican nominee will be the most liberal candidate and the Democrat nominee will be the most conservative.

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Post by Scot Dutchy » Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:32 pm

Forty Two wrote:Of course not, because I am neither a neoconservative, nor a hawk. One of the main reasons I am pulling for Trump is that he is very much opposed to mainstream, right-wing Republican on the major issues. When people bemoan him destroying the Republican party we've known for 20 years, I ask what in the world are you bemoaning? Is that not a point in his favor?
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Post by Svartalf » Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:45 pm

hey, better a natural turd that industrial strength toxic refuse
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