response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks

[Galaxian]

See that? Hell, it even has tail fins.

Yes, it does! Are you sure that's the Pentagon? And the video, is from one of the 83 surveillance cameras?

[Trolldor]

Orly? Yeah, let's just release surveillance of the pentagon to the Public domain, that's a smart thing to do!

[Pappa]

But, the clincher: The FBI admitted the whole thing was an inside job, otherwise, why confiscate all the tapes?

One doesn't automatically follow the other.

[Coito ergo sum]

You can actually see the plane's tail fin in one of the Pentagon security videos of the impact.

I'd like to see that.
Can you provide a link?

I haven't seen that. But, the evidence is overwhelming that the hijacked plane hit the Pentagon. Over-frickin-whelming.

On the contrary, the evidence is overwhelming that American Airlines 77 did NOT hit the Pentagon. The FBI even admitted it!

Ummm...no, they didn't. If you'd like to cite or link to the admission, I think we'd all like to see it.

But keep on trolling out the same tired mantra, even though the authorities have stepped back from it.

Just quote the admission. Stop stalling.

[Coito ergo sum]

The FBI even admitted it!

What did the FBI say exactly?

There were 84 video surveillance cameras in the vicinity that had their tapes quickly confiscated. The tapes were never returned, except for 5 lousy frames from one. That is a de-facto admission of guilt.

So, they didn't make the admission you claimed they made.

[Coito ergo sum]

How do we know that the plane hit the Pentagon:

1. dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building
2. the plane made an approx. 75 ft. hole in the side of the building, and that is just what would be expected under the circumstances. What would have been surprising is 124 cartoon like plane-shaped hole in the side of the building.
3. the conspiracy theorists lie and say no wreckage was found, when in fact, wreckage was found. http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popu ... debris.jpg Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts.


So, the plane hit the building. Nothing anyone has posted here suggests otherwise. there was no admission by the FBI of anything - it's the typical conspiracy theorist shell game where they claim one thing, "FBI made an admisssion," and then they sidestep that and claim that it was an 'implied" admission. Lies!

[GrahamH]

But, the clincher: The FBI admitted the whole thing was an inside job, otherwise, why confiscate all the tapes?

One doesn't automatically follow the other.

The more reasonable way to ask the question is why did the FBI collect surveillance tapes on and after 9/11?
The most obvious answer is they did what they are supposed to do - they collected available evidence. They would have been negligent if they had not collected them.

Next we can ask why they didn't release the tapes earlier than they did.
To what end? Considering there was not much on the tapes and the people clamouring for them were conspiracy theorists, did releasing them serve a purpose?

The only way the Pentagon tapes fits into a conspiracy narrative is if the state was content to let conspiracy theories proliferate as a smokescreen for some failing or impropriety. It would be a smart move to bury those who might expose them amid those claiming exotic demolition, space weapons, mini-nukes, no planes and other craziness.

No "Truther" is satisfied to pursue the reasonable facts. They all seem desperate to pile up the wildest fantasies. The bigger the pile of bullshit the less convincing the case, but "Truthers" see it the other way around - the more vague suspicions they can uncritically believe in the more unshakable their faith becomes.

I definitely think there a many parallels between conspiracy theories and religions.

[Randydeluxe]

...the conspiracy theorists lie... and then they sidestep that and claim that it was an 'implied" admission. Lies!

So you've read Galaxian's posts before?

[Coito ergo sum]

...the conspiracy theorists lie... and then they sidestep that and claim that it was an 'implied" admission. Lies!

So you've read Galaxian's posts before?

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[Cunt]

Lies!

Of course it was a lie, if the FBI had admitted such a thing it would have been followed (or more likely preceded) by prosecution(s).

I wonder if the author of that lie will admit it was a false statement (indicating it may have been an honest mistake) or ignore it (indicating that it was a lie which failed and he doesn't want to draw attention to it).


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I definitely think there a many parallels between conspiracy theories and religions.

Are you referring to the salivating desire to believe anything, as long is it isn't the reality we are ALL privy to?

[Coito ergo sum]

Lies!

Of course it was a lie, if the FBI had admitted such a thing it would have been followed (or more likely preceded) by prosecution(s).

I wonder if the author of that lie will admit it was a false statement (indicating it may have been an honest mistake) or ignore it (indicating that it was a lie which failed and he doesn't want to draw attention to it).


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I definitely think there a many parallels between conspiracy theories and religions.

Are you referring to the salivating desire to believe anything, as long is it isn't the reality we are ALL privy to?

I'd be happy if he stated succincltly, in complete sentences, why and how he thinks the dozens of witnesses who saw the plane fly into the building are lying, the forensics experts who found pieces of the plane are lying, the phone calls received from the plane were faked (like the US solicitor general's wife, who died in the crash, Barbara Olson - Ted Olson's wife), etc.

Further, what is the evidence that something other than a plane hit the Pentagon that day? There was no evidence of munitions found - no evidence of a cruise missile - etc. - nothing. The impact site is exactly what one would expect if a plane crashed into the pentagon where it is shown.

The "no plane hit the pentagon" argument is a fucking joke!

[Feck]

I am curious as to why there don't seem to be any good pictures ? I would have thought that there must be an image of the plane on at least one camera .

(Don't shout at me I'm not a Truther )

[Coito ergo sum]

I am curious as to why there don't seem to be any good pictures ? I would have thought that there must be an image of the plane on at least one camera .

(Don't shout at me I'm not a Truther )

Here are a bunch: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/ev ... index.html

Verifiable debris from the plane:

Engine Rotor:

Engine Assembly:

Video surveillance of plane crashing.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818225/

[Feck]

I see a bit of something white just before the fireball but it doe not look like a 757 ...... meh

I did see the plane hit the second tower on the news channels ...as did half of New York in RL .. cannot reasonably see how to fake that

[Galaxian]

But, the clincher: The FBI admitted the whole thing was an inside job, otherwise, why confiscate all the tapes?

One doesn't automatically follow the other.

Of course it does. Withholding evidence is a criminal offense, & self-implicating as either the perpetrator or an aider & abettor. Remember, they do not have the right to remain silent; a) they are our employees, b) Habeas Corpus is not applicable to a corporation or organization, especially a public one.

On another topic: the level of ignorance on this thread regarding 9/11 is shocking. Just on this page we have crap comments such as: 75 foot hole (it was actually 15 feet), contradictions between supposed witness statements & photographic reality, etc.
Then there are the obfuscations & apologia, such as; surveillance tapes can't be released to the public (they were available for years prior to that), and that the tapes have been released.

The above are just "pull out of arse" statements. Now, if you can't be bothered to educate yourselves on this (to me at any rate) rather important subject, do NOT expect me to go to the trouble of doing it for you. Lack of sincerity & dedication is the worst affliction for any student, & can only be cured from within that person's own psyche.