response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks

[Clinton Huxley]

I'm going to start a conpiracy involving every last man, woman and child on the planet. That way, no-one will ever find out, at least by "Galaxian Logic".

Why? What have you heard?

Oh, I know all about your conspiracy, Rum. The milkman told me. He got it from his chiropodist.

Well I wouldn't trust them! They were in on the Kennedy thing you know.

I hadn't been born at the time of the Kennedy Kerfuffle but was retrospectively included in the conspiracy so I wouldn't find out. You know how it is.

[Coito ergo sum]

Excellent post as always, Conny.
I notice the burping, farting, & piss-taking just goes on & on. It's because people either can't think, or don't want to. The implications are too great; the world won't be the safe, sane place of their make-believe.

The world isn't a safe, sane place.

The thing is, the Conspiracy Theorists are the ones who want the easy, pat answer to all the worlds problems. There aren't real threats out there, the Theorists say, because all our threats are internal conspiracies. Bushdidit! Halliburton, Carlysle Group, oh My! I'm still waiting for the cheap oil to start piping in through that pipeline across Afghanistan that we were "really"going to war for...and does it really matter anyway since the physicists are hiding the truth about "Niburu" coming around to kill us? And, of course, in 2012, we are going to cross the galactic equator in the 26,000 year cycle so, that means Atlantis will rise again....

Some have asked how many are involved in this conspiracy, & how can it be kept secret.
Well, it is evident that about 100 million, or half the adult population of the United States is part & parcel of this conspiracy. And that is why it is "secret", not because the evidence is lacking, but because 100 million people don't want to accept it.

Educate us ignorant folk. What's the evidence?

Many of them on this & similar such forums. You see, no matter how obvious something is, if half the pontificating sheeple don't want to accept it, it's a waste of time trying to convince them.
Another idiotic comment is "tell us your evidence, don't give links". Well, what a load of crap! Every historical research paper is based on "links".

Sure - but when we ask for evidence of proposition "X" then give us evidence of proposition "X", not some long screed that we have to wade through and try to discern if it even supports that specific proposition.

So why should Conny's be any different. Infact you'd all be highly miffed & piss even higher up the tree trunk of your delusions, if Conny refused to give any links... like the rest of the shambolic procession here does.

He can and should give supporting citations. But, what he doesn't do is explain what his rational basis is for concluding what he concludes. He points fingers at things, calling things the "Omission Report" and other such little zingers, but he never addresses an issue specifically.

You want even more facts? Go to the Richard Dawkins forum here onwards, and you'll get enough to drown you.

We don't want to be drowned in screeds. We want our specific issues addressed.

But of course it won't change your mind.

My mind is open to be changed.

[Conny]

Wonder what all of you will do, IF in your lifetime, you learn that what "we truthers" as you like to call us, have been claiming is proven to be true.

Can you even consider that possibility? or is that beyond your concept of keeping an open mind?

Has the MSM, and others who have an interest to blame a fanatic group, so persuaded you it is hopeless to even consider, to read and research for yourselves?

For those of you who did not follow the discussion on RDF, let it be known that until mid-2003, I too believed the version of what had been told on MSM. It was only after my dad and his friends (most of them former European armed forces officers: air force, army) showed me how it could not be possible to bring down two towers with airplane fuel, let alone fly in that manner into the Pentagon etc, etc The complete stand-down (outrageous unless previously planned) . The crash site in PA, they told me, was obvious that it was of a shot down plane. I thought, silly old men, and went on to try and prove them wrong, but the more we exchanged information and the more i interviewed others in similar positions, with experience in engineering, the more i realised what had really happened. So I "ate humble pie"- I think that is the phrase in USA- and learned that one does not stop learning: hurray for that and am glad to be part of the "Truth" movement.
BTW, Thanks Galaxian, you are right, they can't face knowing the truth so they rather stay in their delusionary "safe" world. Maybe it is more comfortable that way.

[Tigger]

Wonder what all of you will do, IF in your lifetime, you learn that what "we truthers" as you like to call us, have been claiming is proven to be true.

Can you even consider that possibility? or is that beyond your concept of keeping an open mind?

Has the MSM, and others who have an interest to blame a fanatic group, so persuaded you it is hopeless to even consider, to read and research for yourselves?

For those of you who did not follow the discussion on RDF, let it be known that until mid-2003, I too believed the version of what had been told on MSM. It was only after my dad and his friends (most of them former European armed forces officers: air force, army) showed me how it could not be possible to bring down two towers with airplane fuel, let alone fly in that manner into the Pentagon etc, etc The complete stand-down (outrageous unless previously planned) . The crash site in PA, they told me, was obvious that it was of a shot down plane. I thought, silly old men, and went on to try and prove them wrong, but the more we exchanged information and the more i interviewed others in similar positions, with experience in engineering, the more i realised what had really happened. So I "ate humble pie"- I think that is the phrase in USA- and learned that one does not stop learning: hurray for that and am glad to be part of the "Truth" movement.
BTW, Thanks Galaxian, you are right, they can't face knowing the truth so they rather stay in their delusionary "safe" world. Maybe it is more comfortable that way.

Truthers?
Ahem, sorry. Serious Tigger is serious.

[Conny]

Truthers?
Ahem, sorry. Serious Tigger is serious.

stop bouncing about and say what you think, dammit!

[Animavore]

Wonder what all of you will do, IF in your lifetime, you learn that what "we truthers" as you like to call us, have been claiming is proven to be true.

Can you even consider that possibility? or is that beyond your concept of keeping an open mind?

Has the MSM, and others who have an interest to blame a fanatic group, so persuaded you it is hopeless to even consider, to read and research for yourselves?

For those of you who did not follow the discussion on RDF, let it be known that until mid-2003, I too believed the version of what had been told on MSM. It was only after my dad and his friends (most of them former European armed forces officers: air force, army) showed me how it could not be possible to bring down two towers with airplane fuel, let alone fly in that manner into the Pentagon etc, etc The complete stand-down (outrageous unless previously planned) . The crash site in PA, they told me, was obvious that it was of a shot down plane. I thought, silly old men, and went on to try and prove them wrong, but the more we exchanged information and the more i interviewed others in similar positions, with experience in engineering, the more i realised what had really happened. So I "ate humble pie"- I think that is the phrase in USA- and learned that one does not stop learning: hurray for that and am glad to be part of the "Truth" movement.
BTW, Thanks Galaxian, you are right, they can't face knowing the truth so they rather stay in their delusionary "safe" world. Maybe it is more comfortable that way.

Spare us the evasive bullshit and start dishing out some hard facts.

[Conny]

Spare us the evasive bullshit and start dishing out some hard facts.

You go first

[Animavore]

Spare us the evasive bullshit and start dishing out some hard facts.

You go first

I already posted two pdfs, one from the National Institute of Standards and Technology and one from The American Society of Civil Engineers which go into great detail about how the buildings collapsed and your "controlled demolition" theory is totally fucked unless you can show how they put explosives into the columns and joined them all together with detonation cable without anyone noticing in a building that ran 24/7.

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 25#p405314

Now. Evidence please.

[Tigger]

Truthers?
Ahem, sorry. Serious Tigger is serious.

stop bouncing about and say what you think, dammit!

I'm thinking what Animavore is thinking actually. I think it's bizarre that you can actually believe all this nonsense, but I haven't the heart to get all "what the fuck?" on you.

[Cunt]

Wonder what all of you will do, IF in your lifetime, you learn that what "we truthers" as you like to call us, have been claiming is proven to be true.

Can you even consider that possibility? or is that beyond your concept of keeping an open mind?

Has the MSM, and others who have an interest to blame a fanatic group, so persuaded you it is hopeless to even consider, to read and research for yourselves?

For those of you who did not follow the discussion on RDF, let it be known that until mid-2003, I too believed the version of what had been told on MSM. It was only after my dad and his friends (most of them former European armed forces officers: air force, army) showed me how it could not be possible to bring down two towers with airplane fuel, let alone fly in that manner into the Pentagon etc, etc The complete stand-down (outrageous unless previously planned) . The crash site in PA, they told me, was obvious that it was of a shot down plane. I thought, silly old men, and went on to try and prove them wrong, but the more we exchanged information and the more i interviewed others in similar positions, with experience in engineering, the more i realised what had really happened. So I "ate humble pie"- I think that is the phrase in USA- and learned that one does not stop learning: hurray for that and am glad to be part of the "Truth" movement.
BTW, Thanks Galaxian, you are right, they can't face knowing the truth so they rather stay in their delusionary "safe" world. Maybe it is more comfortable that way.

You said yourself that you weren't 'in the mood' to say what sort of evidence would change your mind. That is likely a major element of your mind which you would do well to pay attention to.

I already do, I know what your opinion is worth. Now you come with more vague hints and try again. Why would anyone listen to you? You can't support your case, hell, you won't even properly make your case!

[Clinton Huxley]

Wonder what all of you will do, IF in your lifetime, you learn that what "we truthers" as you like to call us, have been claiming is proven to be true.

What's this, some weird "Truther" version of Pascal's Wager?

This is just getting too funny. But carry on.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

Wonder what all of you will do, IF in your lifetime, you learn that what "we truthers" as you like to call us, have been claiming is proven to be true...

I conversely don't wonder what you would do if it were proven to be false, because to you there is no "proven to be false". Like every other cultist there's no evidence you would ever accept to shake you from your beliefs.

...Can you even consider that possibility? or is that beyond your concept of keeping an open mind?...

I can consider the possibility of there being a secret basement beneath my house where a dragon lives. But if someone claims that as a fact, I'm going to want proof.

By the way you do realise you're doing the standard thing the religious always do? "What would you do if it were all real?" "How can you know that it isn't?"

Just try listening to yourself sometime.

...Has the MSM, and others who have an interest to blame a fanatic group, so persuaded you it is hopeless to even consider, to read and research for yourselves?...

MSM? Don't speak in acronyms and expect everyone to figure out what you mean.

The reason I don't 'read and research for myself' is the same reason I've never read the bible, or the qur'an, or the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard, or the mythology of the Itelmen tribe of Kamchatka... I've got better things to do with my time!!!

...For those of you who did not follow the discussion on RDF, let it be known that until mid-2003, I too believed the version of what had been told on MSM. It was only after my dad and his friends (most of them former European armed forces officers: air force, army) showed me how it could not be possible to bring down two towers with airplane fuel, let alone fly in that manner into the Pentagon etc, etc The complete stand-down (outrageous unless previously planned) . The crash site in PA, they told me, was obvious that it was of a shot down plane. I thought, silly old men, and went on to try and prove them wrong, but the more we exchanged information and the more i interviewed others in similar positions, with experience in engineering, the more i realised what had really happened...

Classic cult tactics. Simply bombard the subject with 'information' which they are in no position to confirm or deny, until you've broken their defences down.

...am glad to be part of the "Truth" movement...

You've been sucked-in by a cult. Hope you get better soon.

...Thanks Galaxian, you are right, they can't face knowing the truth so they rather stay in their delusionary "safe" world. Maybe it is more comfortable that way.

As Coito ergo sum pointed out, you 'truthers' are the ones who prefer a nice simple comforting delusion, over the complex realities of an unpleasant world.
It's also, I imagine, a very egocentric delusion.
Do you imagine that being part of this movement means that the "New World Order"(TM) is keeping an eye on you? Do you believe the government looks upon you as 'dangerous'? Does that make you feel somehow personally important in the larger scheme of things?

Well here's an uncomfortable truth for you - there is no above top-secret file with your name on it in Langley (or anywhere else), no-one in power gives a rat's-arse about you.

Have a nice day.

[Trolldor]

Right now I get Cadbury Creme Eggs. If the 'truth' movement being right improves that supply then my life is better, if it diminishes that supply I am worse off, and if nothing changes that supply then you have accomplished nothing.

[Tigger]

Right now I get Cadbury Creme Eggs. If the 'truth' movement being right improves that supply then my life is better, if it diminishes that supply I am worse off, and if nothing changes that supply then you have accomplished nothing.

Let me know if you run out, and we here in the UK can conspire to send some.

[Daisy]

There are two topics I consider too stupid to discuss;

1. Creationism
2. 9/11 conspiracies.

You wanna discuss Obama's citizenship?