Jamest is right!

[JimC]

Seth says atheists are condescending and mean to theists. How horrible and nasty...

Many theists think that anyone who doesn't believe in their particular version of god will suffer an eternity of punishment after they die, and frequently add that it serves them right...

Atheists think nobody will suffer anything after they die.

Makes you think, hopefully...

[pErvinalia]

Haven't you figured it out yet man? Seth will just say that your logic is faulty and your brain function impaired for as long as you disagree with him and for one post more than you.

I have figured it out. He regularly gives up first. That's the benefit of me being essentially unemployed (well, I'm self employed and can work at whatever time I want) and obsessed about battling conservatives where ever I come across them. And having absolutely no life. I can literally spend days writing posts.

[pErvinalia]

Seth says atheists are condescending and mean to theists. How horrible and nasty...

Many theists think that anyone who doesn't believe in their particular version of god will suffer an eternity of punishment after they die, and frequently add that it serves them right...

Atheists think nobody will suffer anything after they die.

Makes you think, hopefully...

Yeah, there's a reason why most atheists are humanists, and a lot of theists are bigots. Who really gives a shit if we are mean to bigots? Not me.

[tattuchu]

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Atheists are cunts. They want to pretend that there is no evidence for God whilst maintaining that their criteria for 'evidence' is not at all biased against the idea that a God could exist. In other words, they're all metaphysical bigots. No better than any religious nut I've ever encountered.

As I've argued elsewhere, the concept of 'atheist' is best reserved for robots and organisms dumb enough not to even understand what the concept of God must entail. No intelligent being can claim to be an atheist. At best, they can only claim to be an anti-theist (notwithstanding the attitude of agnosticism).

In the forum from whence I am currently banned, I invented the concept of the 'truth mill'. A metaphor for the biased minds of almost all of us, whereby arguments are processed through the accepted knowledge, biases and attitudes, of any given consciousness prior to receiving judgement.

FFS, when an atheist cannot see why his/her [atheistic] opinion is not a consequence of their accepted knowledge, biases and attitudes, then they should be hung... drawn and quartered. It's the most dick-headed of attitudes I've ever encountered, since [at least] I've never heard a religious person argue that there is no evidence for materialism.

... They missed the boat there, though, since there's none at all.

That has got to be the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen emerge from a single mouth. Now...

When you've finished laughing, address the fucking details of my post. Otherwise, you'll just come across as something akin to your avatar. I get that all of the time at ratskep. It's so fuckin' boring. Multitudes of half-wits laughing at stuff they're too afraid to even contemplate, let alone refute via reason. It's a symptom of tribalism. Understandable, but nevertheless fucking annoying amidst an intelligent debate.

Next please.

OK. Let's address your points.

You began by calling me, an most of the people here a cunt. Again. I ought to ban you again, for a longer period than last time.

The rest was waffle. If there is evidence that god exists, present it. Else, as I already said,

[Animavore]

For someone like me who started a Catholic, then rejected a god who cared about what you believe to the extent that he'd send you to an eternal hell if you didn't tow the line and moved to a more inclusive God of which all religion leads to imperfectly, religions being an artifact of men, to learning science and rejecting miracles and moving to a more deistic God who doesn't do shit, then from there moving to Buddhism and being influenced by certain forms of Christian mysticism in which 'God' is a name given to some incomprehensible, pervasive energy, to learning more science and understanding that there doesn't seem to be any unaccounted energy and asking more questions about whether anything extra needs to be added to naturalistic explanations, to say my atheism is a belief is fucking absurd in the highest.

Atheism is what you are left with when belief has been rubbed down to a nub, and eroded to dust. It's not something you turn to because you've been convinced of it by charismatic people, or wise-sounding words, or wishful thinking and fantastical tales - and I know what that feels like to feel that pang of conviction having been convinced of many things - it is the position of the totally unconvinced. It is the last resort when every avenue of belief has been explored to their inevitable dead ends. When every spiritual quest has ended in failure and disillusion because everywhere you've went all you've ever seen are people too willing to believe and too unwilling to question anything they're being told.

Giving up on belief was not something I took lightly, despite how easily each belief fell off when confronted with a better explanation as I don't have a mind particularily geared toward holding on to an explanation because I like it. It was something I just had to let go of like a deceased loved one. It is almost an insult to me to be told that this is in itself a belief. Kind of like being told that the acceptance of soemone's passing is itself a kind of holding on and refusal to accept reality.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

For someone like me who started a Catholic, then rejected a god who cared about what you believe to the extent that he'd send you to an eternal hell if you didn't tow the line and moved to a more inclusive God of which all religion leads to imperfectly, religions being an artifact of men, to learning science and rejecting miracles and moving to a more deistic God who doesn't do shit, then from there moving to Buddhism and being influenced by certain forms of Christian mysticism in which 'God' is a name given to some incomprehensible, pervasive energy, to learning more science and understanding that there doesn't seem to be any unaccounted energy and asking more questions about whether anything extra needs to be added to naturalistic explanations, to say my atheism is a belief is fucking absurd in the highest.

Atheism is what you are left with when belief has been rubbed down to a nub, and eroded to dust. It's not something you turn to because you've been convinced of it by charismatic people, or wise-sounding words, or wishful thinking and fantastical tales - and I know what that feels like to feel that pang of conviction having been convinced of many things - it is the position of the totally unconvinced. It is the last resort when every avenue of belief has been explored to their inevitable dead ends. When every spiritual quest has ended in failure and disillusion because everywhere you've went all you've ever seen are people too willing to believe and too unwilling to question anything they're being told.

Giving up on belief was not something I took lightly, despite how easily each belief fell off when confronted with a better explanation as I don't have a mind particularily geared toward holding on to an explanation because I like it. It was something I just had to let go of like a deceased loved one. It is almost an insult to me to be told that this is in itself a belief. Kind of like being told that the acceptance of soemone's passing is itself a kind of holding on and refusal to accept reality.

[Seth]

There's a small number of atheists out there who make a positive claim about Gods. Why aren't they lying?

They are. So are you.

Huh?! Another fine example of your "logic". Those atheist hold the opposite view to us. How can we both be lying?!

You lie when you claim you don't make positive claims about the non-existence of God, they lie when they make positive claims about the non-existence of God. You both lie because both of you know that there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that God does not exist.

You claim we hold the same view as that small number of atheists.

No, I just said you're lying, and you are. So are they.

Why would we feel the need to lie about our beliefs and reasonings??!

Because you become acutely uncomfortable and threatened when I demonstrate how religious and irrational your beliefs are and how faulty your reasoning is of course!

You haven't demonstrated shit, Seth, as is clear from the fact that NO ONE has ever supported you in this bollocks "theory" of yours.

I can't help it if those people are idiots. All I can do is present my arguments for the edification of visitors and lurkers and allow them to make up their own minds as to the value of the respective arguments...or lack thereof.

You are incapable of clear rational thought, and simply ignore evidence that clearly shows your beliefs to be wrong.

No, you're incapable of comprehending the rational thought I post. Big difference.

You claim there is evidence. You NEVER produce it. How rational is that?? It's not 'rational'. It's outright lying.

No it's not.

What the fuck are you even doing at a rationalist forum?

Well, at the moment, I'm annoying the ever-living fuck out of you. But that's just dessert.

While showing everyone what an ignoramus you are. Well done, champ.

Whatever.

about their true beliefs because they want the approval and support of their compatriots

What kind of retarded logic is that?!? If we are all lying, then why do we need to lie in the first place? If we share the same belief, then we don't need to lie about it to gain the approval of our compatriots.

Ah, but you have to lie in order to maintain the fiction that your positions and arguments are rational and/or logical in exactly the same manner, and for exactly the same reasons that you claim theists lie about their faith.

You are so full of shit. This is the usual Seth 'move the goalposts' fallacy. You said we have to lie to get the support of our compatriots (about 98% of whom define atheism the same way we do), and when shown what retarded logic that was, you pretend you were talking about something else.

I never said your reactions are rational.

and don't want to be excoriated as you excoriate me, for not adhering to the Atheist religious orthodoxy.

Avail yourself of a dictionary, please!

No need, I'm perfectly familiar with the applicable definitions.

Bullshit. You've got no clue what "religion" means, just as you have no clue what "atheism" means.

Dictionary.com disagrees with you.

[url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ ... =treligion[/url]
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

In this case, "to make a religion of disparaging theists and theism."

Just as you draw conclusions (often mistaken) based on the body of my work, and aren't shy about drawing conclusions and inferences based on what I write, I do the same thing with respect to your, and everybody else's contributions here, and it's my considered and deeply held opinion that nearly everyone here, or at Ratskep, or at RDF in the past, falls firmly into the category of religious Atheist zealot, which is a kind adjective for what many of them really are.

The difference is, we provide examples of your past work,

Which you promptly mischaracterize, misunderstand and ridicule without a scintilla of rational argumentation in support of your refutation. The examples you claim to provide almost never provide an example of what you think it exemplifies.

Of course you'll claim that, as your more blinkered than a racehorse. But the point remains. We provide examples. YOU DON'T.

Whatever. I'll leave it up to the interested readers to do that research if they care to. I've got better things to do.

while you provide nothing because you are allegedly too lazy to do so.

Bored, not lazy. I see no point in mining ten years of your posts for something that anybody who has known you for a month knows is true. I've got better things to do than that.

Better things like lying and erecting strawmen. Produce evidence or STFU.

No.

We all know it's not laziness that is stopping you from doing it. It's the fact that there isn't any evidence outside of the faulty inferences of your blinkered mind.

You continue to provide the evidence on a regular basis. I leave it up to someone who gives a fuck to go look it up if they doubt it.

EVERYONE doubts it, Seth. You've got ZERO people on your side.

It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.

That's what makes them Atheist, as opposed to atheists. The reasonable, rational non-believer is perfectly comfortable with admitting that they don't know the truth and that the question of God's existence remains open and unresolved.

We are all perfectly comfortable with admitting that we don't know the truth and that the question of God's existence remains open and unresolved.

Hardly. You avoid addressing that subject with great vigor.

I just addressed it there, dimwit!

You lie.

And if and when you are caused to inadvertently address it, you almost always react with personal insults, derision and non sequitur in order to avoid having to say the one thing you can factually say about the existence of God: "I don't know."

More lies. I just addressed it right then without any insults derision non-sequitur etc. All of us here have stated before that "we don't know". Stop lying, you lying fuck. We even had a poll where we gladly stated we don't know. But you are so full of your own retarded mental inhibitions that you can't accept evidence that goes against your world view. The problem here is you, not any atheist.

A single incidence does not a trend or practice make.

Everything else you contribute on the subject is nothing more than ream after ream of personal insults aimed at people who do believe in God.

Lying cockbag. Produce evidence or STFU.

Ipse dixit quod erat demonstrandum

And no.

You're not satisfied to say "I don't know"

Lying cockbag. We've all repeatedly said we don't know. Because you are a dishonest cunt, you can't accept that. That's your problem.

If you don't know, why do you persist in persecuting and disparaging those who claim they do know? Jealousy?

and then have the common courtesy of allowing other people to believe what they choose to believe, you insist on insulting the majority of people on the planet at every possible turn,

Lying cockbag. Produce evidence or STFU.

No.

Your blind hatred of all things theological prevents you from engaging in reasoned debate on the subject.

Your mental retardation prevents you from engaging in anything other than logical fallacy after logical fallacy.

I consider that a high compliment, coming from you. Thanks.

We perfectly comfortably did so in that poll that you choose to ignore as an inconvenient truth. Why are you such a dishonest debater?

I'm not, you are. I respond to your diatribes and insults with thought and scholarship and I explain my reasoning even when you do nothing more than hurl childish insults.

Bullshit, you are a bald-faced liar. You are also a troll and an ad-hom specialist. You simply can't accept that you are wrong about the reality of the world. Produce evidence to back up your bollocks or STFU.

You just don't like the fact that I am adept at demolishing what you believe to be rational pronouncements. Mostly they aren't. But when they are, I am happy to both give you credit for them and engage you reasonably and rationally. This doesn't mean I have to agree with you however. Your "poll" means absolutely nothing, to me or anyone else who is able to formulate a rational thought and express it.

Laughable. How can it mean nothing if it directly disproves your idiotic "theory"?!? It means nothing to you, because it is an inconvenient truth. That's your problem, not ours.

Because it doesn't disprove anything, it just enumerates the number of weak intellects who are incapable of rational thought.

They are not afraid to face this insecurity and do not feel the need to cover up their insecurity about their uncertainty with bluster, bloviation and insult. As a Tolerist™ I have no dog in the hunt either way. I'm satisfied to let theists believe what they believe and Atheists believe what they believe without judging either one of them with respect to those beliefs

Yet you are perfectly happy to judge liberals about their beliefs. You aren't a tolerist. You are full of shit.

The difference is I'm specific and I only judge individuals based on their non-peaceable statements.

You are so full of shit.

Not at the moment. I just had a healthy bowel movement.

I have no problem with your disbelief in God, that's yours to decide. What I have a problem with is your blatant and scurrilous lies and attacks on billions of people who have done you no harm merely because it satisfies some atavistic urge you have to excoriate theism.

Who gives a fuck if you have a problem? That's no excuse to lie and troll.

Pot, kettle, black.

And produce evidence of these scurrilous lies and attacks on "billions of people" or STFU.

Please go to this site for a small sampling of this evidence: http://www.rationalia.com

If you want to excoriate some specific Catholic priest against whom there is credible forensic evidence of sexual wrongdoing, I don't mind at all, and in fact I join you in condemning such people, and those who knowingly harbor and protect them from the consequences of their evil acts.

I don't give a fuck what you mind. You are incapable of reasoned thought.

Whatever.

But so far, out of more than 400,000 Catholic priests currently in service, only about 4000, or about one percent, have even been accused of sexual impropriety, which is about 14 percent fewer priests than ordinary citizens who commit sexual assaults on children.

What's this got to do with anything other than your own retarded strawman??

A lot. Pity you can't understand that.

But that doesn't matter to you, nor do you care that hundreds of thousands of Catholic priests serve their parishioners faithfully and selflessly and perform all manner of charitable and altruistic acts, not infrequently at a cost to their own health, safety and lives.

Don't tell me what I care about, you lying fuck. Produce evidence to back up your bollocks or STFU.

I'll tell you anything I like, thanks.

You don't care that billions of people rely on their religious beliefs to carry them through tough times and you don't care that the vast majority of them apply their beliefs positively and to assist others, not harm them.

How the fuck would you know? You can't read simple English for comprehension.

You don't care that when the AIDS epidemic began in Africa, Priests and other religious orders were quite literally the only people willing to attend to the needs of the stricken, without regard for their own safety, while the rest of the world, including physicians, were refusing to treat or even approach the sick out of fear.

I've never once discussed AIDS on these forums, let alone said anything about any priests in regards to it. You are a liar of the highest order. What's your problem??

Precisely my point.

Most hypocritically, you get all worked up and resort to even more invective when someone challenges YOUR Atheistic religious beliefs.

No, I resort with invective when I am presented with a dishonest cunt and a troll.

You must spend a lot of time insulting yourself.

Do you feel better now rEv? Got some stress off your chest? Glad to have been of assistance.

[Animavore]

Another thing that gets me these days is what is so special about belief in God over any other massive number of shit people believe anyway? Why is it if I told someone I didn't believe their story that they were working in Scarlett Johanssen's house and found that she had a love shrine dedicated to me no one says anything*? I tell him he's on a wind up and to go away and quit bothering me and no one is calling me a "cunt", or telling me that I really do believe and I'm in some sort of denial or calling me out for making a 'positive claim'. No one is asking me to answer to society in any way, but someone tells me the even more tall tale that they believe in some ill-defined "spirit" which shapes things and influences life in some completely undetectable way I'm supposed to give them the time of day and give reasons for telling them they're talking shit?



*In fairness; I still wouldn't believe it even as she's sucking me off.

[Seth]

The fact that of the thousands of members involved in discussions over the years virtually no one ever agrees with your "logic" and "rationality" should be a clue that you aren't as bright as you think you are.

Well, I don't think that's actually true to begin with, but in any event that speaks to the strength and scope of the Atheist religious orthodoxy more than it speaks to any deficit in my argumentation.

Oh the hubris. You think that 1 vs 10,000 rational thinkers reflects on the 10,000 rational thinkers, and not on the one. Fucking LOL.

Just because you think you are a rational thinker doesn't mean you, or anybody else, is.

though mostly I am. It's the debate that's important. The journey down the path to enlightenment is far more important and instructive than some arbitrary destination along the way. If I'm wrong, I'm fine with that.

Bullshit you are. We waste so much time on this forum (and previous ones) trying to school you in the basics of logic and reasoning, not to mention science and atheism. It has zero effect on you. That's because you think you're right and 10,000 other atheists are suffering from some sort of shared delusion. I'd invoke Occam's Razor, but you're too stupid to understand it.

One puzzles as to why you would "waste so much time" if it's really a waste of time. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

My purpose and role is to advance knowledge and understanding by stimulating debate and causing people to think, although that usually doesn't include you. I've told you countless times that my actual audience is not the members of the forum, and particularly not you, it's the visitors and lurkers who may take away some new nugget of knowledge or understanding from the debate. Nor do I care WHAT nugget they take away. They can agree with me or disagree with me, it's all the same to me. What's important, the ONLY important thing is that my posts cause people to think about the subject, because thought is preferable to the sort of knee-jerk dogmatism you demonstrate with regularity.

Your posts literally can't do that as they don't contain any inherent logic or reasoning. They are just a series of logical fallacy and shifting goal posts and a total inability to stop abusing logic despite you knowing that you do it after we show you how you are doing it.

Even if true, which it's not, it would still be effective in stimulating debate. The proof lies right before your eyes, rEv.

I understand that you like to vent, but I have yet to see you make an honest, introspective and respectful post acknowledging that for billions of people, theistic religion serves as a stable foundation in their lives that makes suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune somewhat easier.

Of course you haven't because you are blinkered and a dishonest debater. I and others often make such remarks. You would never see them as they don't fit your biased narrative. Open your fucking eyes.

Trust me, they've been open for three decades now, and I'm very satisfied with what I see.

Except that all of us understand, and have indeed made comments to this effect many times, that religion serves as a stable foundation in the lives of theists. You simply can't accept that because it goes against your idiotic world view.

So why do you continue to disparage theism and theists? Are you simply an atavistic psychopath or something?

Whether or not their beliefs are a fantasy or even a delusion isn't really relevant to the potential, and factual benefits of theistic belief to those who need solace and comfort in dealing with the stresses of life, as any psychiatrist will tell you. I've not yet seen you present a credible case for why anyone should be an atheist,

YOU are an atheist, you dolt! And atheism is the default state of humans until they learn otherwise. Some of us have just reverted back to our natural state.

No, I'm a non-theistic Tolerist™. And no, you have no critically robust evidence to show that atheism is the default state of humans until they learn otherwise.

Start a poll then, troll. I can promise you that I didn't know about Gods until I heard about them at school. Same with my kids. And I'd bet my house on it being the same with every atheist here. No one is born with any inherent knowledge of gods. It is a learned concept.

Prove it. Present the critically robust evidence that "no one is born with any inherent knowledge of gods." But don't expect me to wait while you do the research on everyone on the planet. Just because you don't know if you know anyone who was born with an inherent knowledge of God doesn't mean they don't exist.

Then there's the argument that if God is omnipresent in nature, God must be present in each and every human being as well, and therefore atheism, or the "absence of belief" is merely a state of ignorance that can be easily rectified through education or interaction with God when the time is appropriate. Therefore, one can argue that a-theism, the absence of belief, is like any other developmental deficit that changes as the human being grows and matures.

One could if they were an ignoramus and missed the obvious fact that people are TAUGHT about gods.

Indeed they are. But this does not preclude the prior existence of a "God gene" that predisposes one to understanding of that instruction, or in some cases, of providing a direct link to God that requires no education in theistic concepts.

Zygotes don't have a heart, but all that is necessary for a heart to come into being exists within the zygote. There is no reason to believe that atheism as a "default state" is anything other than a stage of development that exists in all humans, but for one reason or another is suppressed in a small part of the population, such as yourself, which makes Atheists genetic aberrations as opposed to "normal" human beings.

Great theory, Einstein. Where's your evidence for this bollocks?

It's an analogy describing a hypothesis. I don't need any evidence to hypothesize in order to debunk your arguments.

or an Atheist. I've not seen any evidence that your being an Atheist gives you any comfort or solace or any assistance in dealing with the perfectly natural stresses and uncertainties that come with contemplating one's own mortality and the uncertainties of life. If anything, I see the exact opposite in you. I see hopelessness, depression and a morbid attitude of uselessness because you try to take refuge in reason and logic when, as many others have demonstrated over the ages, abandoning yourself to faith in something greater than yourself might actually make your life better. I've yet to see someone as prominent as Dawkins honestly address the value of "religious delusion" to society or the individual. The best he came up with, in TGD, is a vague question asking why it isn't better to be rational and reject delusion, which he pointedly never actually answers.

You're one to talk about pragmatics over principle. How dare you lecture anyone about pragmatics.

"Who dares, wins." SAS motto

Nice dodge, not. You are the most blatant example of a man willing to cut his nose off to spite himself for his alleged libertarian principles. You don't get to now pretend you give one fuck about pragmatics.

Of course I do. This isn't a discussion of Libertarianism. I'm free to espouse and defend any position I like, including ones diametrically opposed to other positions I have defended in the past. That's called "debate." There's no law that says I'm compelled to to argue from only one point of view.

Then again, being a Socialist and a Marxist who believes in majority rule, since the majority of human beings hold some sort of theistic belief, according to your own ethical and moral metrics, you should just shut the fuck up about theism and accept what the majority wants you to do.

I'm not a socialist or Marxist, you lying fuck. I've told you that repeatedly.

Like Muslims, Marxists are allowed (indeed encouraged) to lie about being Marxists if it forwards the Marxist agenda.

[Seth]

It's the only way to defeat him. Beat him at his own game.

Neither you nor anyone else has ever been successful at that tactic. It's been so completely unsuccessful that Ratskep had to violate its own rules and principles to get rid of me because nobody was able to out-argue me. I'm quite proud of that unblemished record.

[Seth]

Well, do what you must. But I'm offended by people who abuse logic and reasoning and who should know better. rEvolutionist Seth is a common strange example, as he's clearly not a total idiot. He has a good vocabulary and but cannot write well. And in some cases he can construct a reasoned argument. That's the problem. It's not like he has no idea what a good logical argument is. He constructs them rarely from time to time. So that makes his regular abuse of logic and reasoning harder to take. He should know better. And his good writing ability has the potential to make it seem to his "lurkers" that he actually knows what he is talking about. It's important to combat that shit wherever we (well, I) come across it. So i do.

[Seth]

I defeated him long ago, by foeing him and denying him the opportunity to troll me. if you go on megaposting like that, I'll have to do the same to you

The easier and more intellectually advanced method is to simply be reasonable and polite during debate.

[Animavore]

Like Muslims, Marxists are allowed (indeed encouraged) to lie about being Marxists if it forwards the Marxist agenda.

What? All billion of them?

You wouldn't let an atheist away with making such a blanket statement about Christians. I'm not letting you get away without making one about Muslims

You're letting your Christianity slip, by the way. I mean its the only explanation as to why you come down hard on atheists while giving Chrsitians a free-pass while hypocritically making disparaging remarks about Muslims. I guess it's not only Muslims and Marxists who lie to forward their agenda.

[Seth]

Seth says atheists are condescending and mean to theists. How horrible and nasty...

Many theists think that anyone who doesn't believe in their particular version of god will suffer an eternity of punishment after they die,

And if they are right, that makes their warnings and pleas charitable, altruistic and compassionate. Even if they are wrong, if they genuinely believe they are right, then their motives for attempting to persuade you to accept salvation are pure and should be respected rather than demeaned.

and frequently add that it serves them right...

And for that small number of theists who do so, that's very unChristian of them. Then again, if they are right about God's wrath, then they are right to condemn apostates and sinners.

Atheists think nobody will suffer anything after they die.

Atheists prefer to get their suffering up front and view death as a surcease from the trials and tribulations of life. If theists are wrong, why do you care what they have to say?

To each his own.