Without evil there'd be no good ...

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:44 pm

"Good" is just a product of the mind - a value judgment. It is not a thing that exists. It is not made of anything. It is not matter or energy. It is just our opinion of a thing, word, action or thought. So, good exists to whatever extent the mind thinks it.

Nothing is either good or bad, but that thinking makes it so.
-- Hamlet.

If someone thinks everything is good, then everything is good, in their opinion. If someone else thinks it's all evil then it's all evil, in their opinion. There is no such thing as "good" or "evil" outside of our thoughts.

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Post by Surendra Darathy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:46 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:It is not a thing that exists. It is not made of anything. It is not matter or energy.
Since you don't think anything exists but god, I suppose you're just gilding the lily, here. Please go back to keeping silent.
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Post by LaMont Cranston » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:04 pm

Surendra, You brought up Sonny Liston? Somehow I missed that. He really was an interesting character, a true bad assed motherfucker, but I liked him. At the time, it looked like he would be the champ for many years. The boxer he most reminds me of is Mike Tyson, another bad ass until he met up with Buster Douglas and got into some other trouble with women, etc.

As for James Brown and others being greater than Gene Chandler, it's not a tough call for most of us who exist in this dimension. If it's just about personal preference, I'll take James, Sam, Al Green, Otis Redding, Solomon Burke, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson and quite a few others over Gene Chandler. If it's about record sales, hits records or legend status, those guys all kick Chandler's ass.

Well, yes, internet forums can be serialized simulations of cocktail parties. Fortunately, they don't require such things as figuring out what to wear, drinking too much alcohol with people you don't particularly want to be around, being somewhere at a certain time and a lot of other things that many of us don't care for.

Actually, Dude, people who are independently wealthy know that wealth is about much more than having money, it's also about having unlimited time, opportunities and other things. People who are not compelled to toil for money do what they want to do, including entertain themselves on the internet, play polo or whatever. I've been to enough polo matches to know that much of it is about women wearing large hats and flowery dresses, people getting drunk in the afternoon and smelling quite a bit of horseshit.

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Post by Surendra Darathy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:08 pm

LaMont Cranston wrote:I've been to enough polo matches to know that much of it is about women wearing large hats and flowery dresses, people getting drunk in the afternoon and smelling quite a bit of horseshit.
Or else you've memorialised the polo scene in the film "Pretty Woman".
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:09 pm

Surendra Darathy wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:It is not a thing that exists. It is not made of anything. It is not matter or energy.
Since you don't think anything exists but god, I suppose you're just gilding the lily, here. Please go back to keeping silent.
Where did I say that I don't think anything exists but god?

I said that good and evil are not things that exist outside of the human mind. Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

Is English something you have a difficult time comprehending? If so, please don't try to communicate in the English language.
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Coito ergo sum, It's nice to hear from you. Please keep posting...

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Surendra, than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."

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Post by Surendra Darathy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:14 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: Where did I say that I don't think anything exists but god?
You don't have to say the words, Co. You just have to believe.
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Post by colubridae » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:22 pm

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colubridae wrote:I just love the duke of edinburgh
Oh, I get it, and I'm only another dreadful American. Boffo! old chap!
The duke and the prince are the funniest people in the UK. The best bit is they don't know it themselves.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:31 pm

Surendra Darathy wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: Where did I say that I don't think anything exists but god?
You don't have to say the words, Co. You just have to believe.
What the fuck are you talking about?

Believe in what?

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Re: Without evil there'd be no good ...

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:32 pm

LaMont Cranston wrote:Coito ergo sum, It's nice to hear from you. Please keep posting...

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Surendra, than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."
Thanks.

Do you know what Surendra is talking about? He said to me "Since you don't think anything exists but god...", but I never said anything of the kind. Not sure what he is on about...

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Post by Surendra Darathy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:57 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
LaMont Cranston wrote:Coito ergo sum, It's nice to hear from you. Please keep posting...

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Surendra, than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."
Thanks.

Do you know what Surendra is talking about? He said to me "Since you don't think anything exists but god...", but I never said anything of the kind. Not sure what he is on about...
Normally, when somebody says "I'm not interested in your stupid religious cult" and shows evidence of worshiping the words of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I take the quotation to mean, "I want to worship something else besides your stupid religious cult."

A muslim could say that to an xtian. You don't impress me.
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Re: Without evil there'd be no good ...

Post by LaMont Cranston » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:00 pm

Coito ergo sum, Let me explain Surendra's game to you. Once you understand it, it's very transparent. First of all, don't take any of his posts very seriously; nobody else does. What he mostly does is make sarcastic comments about other people's posts, but never offers any fresh ideas of his own. I'll give him credit for being well-educated in certain subject areas (at the obvious expense of others), and I enjoy his sarcastic sense of humor and his over-inflated opinion of his intellect. Mostly what I like about Surendra is that he keep feeding me straight lines. It's a technique that Muhammed Ali used against George Foreman in "The Rumble In The Jungle," and it's called rope-a-dope.

Some people in the world think of themselves as clear, rational and disciplined thinkers. If fact, some of these people are nothing more than very limited and rigid thinkers. Anybody who thinks that they are required to have a "one size fits all" definition of criminal behavior in order to get it that they and most people would rather be out of jail instead of in it is working much too hard trying to figure things out.

Your point, and the reference to Hamlet, about good and evil is absolutely correct. One of the problems that most of the self-proclaimed rational thinkers have with their arguments is that they cannot differentiate between subjective experience and what they'd like to believe is objective reality. If you'd like to discuss that stuff some more, I'm more than willing.

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Post by LaMont Cranston » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:02 pm

Surendra, Dude, there is actually a happening polo scene on the Northshore of Oahu. If Prince Charles has played at the polo fields of Mokoleia. I could supply you with pictures and references, but I can't think of any reason why I'd give a shit about doing that. You can go back to "holding your own..."

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Re: Without evil there'd be no good ...

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:12 pm

Surendra Darathy wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
LaMont Cranston wrote:Coito ergo sum, It's nice to hear from you. Please keep posting...

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Surendra, than are dreamt of in your philosophy..."
Thanks.

Do you know what Surendra is talking about? He said to me "Since you don't think anything exists but god...", but I never said anything of the kind. Not sure what he is on about...
Normally, when somebody says "I'm not interested in your stupid religious cult"
Oh, you're upset by my Latin signature. Sorry to hurt your feelings. There there. It'll be alright. Your delicate sensibilities will recover.... :console:
Surendra Darathy wrote:
and shows evidence of worshiping the words of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh,
Yeah, I'm a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, atheist who "worships Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh." You're showing signs of dementia.
Surendra Darathy wrote:
I take the quotation to mean, "I want to worship something else besides your stupid religious cult."
I won't worship any of your invented beings, including the devils and the genies you think are out there...
Surendra Darathy wrote:
A muslim could say that to an xtian.
Say whatever you want.
Surendra Darathy wrote:
You don't impress me.
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Re: Without evil there'd be no good ...

Post by Surendra Darathy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:16 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: I won't worship any of your invented beings, including the devils and the genies you think are out there...
All evidence to the contrary, pal. You worship your political pundits. Worshiping mortal men is an underachievement for a woo-head.
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