Are some animals evil?

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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:55 pm

Śiva wrote:Many animals cause harm to others, some even seem to do it for their own amusement - cats will often murder mice slowly and not eat them. Why isn't that evil?
You're either trolling now or one of those people I mentioned in an earlier post.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Jason » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:59 pm

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Śiva wrote:Many animals cause harm to others, some even seem to do it for their own amusement - cats will often murder mice slowly and not eat them. Why isn't that evil?
You're either trolling now or one of those people I mentioned in an earlier post.
Why define evil as a Theistic concept? It's a useful word I like to use to describe certain type of behaviour - causing harm to others for instance.

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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Hermit » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:15 pm

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Śiva wrote:Many animals cause harm to others, some even seem to do it for their own amusement - cats will often murder mice slowly and not eat them. Why isn't that evil?
You're either trolling now or one of those people I mentioned in an earlier post.
Why define evil as a Theistic concept? It's a useful word I like to use to describe certain type of behaviour - causing harm to others for instance.
Crap.
In religion, ethics, philosophy and psychology "good and evil" is a very common dichotomy. In cultures with Manichaean and Abrahamic religious influence, evil is usually perceived as the dualistic antagonistic opposite of good, in which good should prevail and evil should be defeated. ... Evil, in a general context, is the absence or opposite of that which is described as being good. Often, evil is used to denote profound immorality. In certain religious contexts, evil has been described as a supernatural force.
Read on here. I would use the word only colloquially, and in the loosest of terms. As a concept it is misleading at best. As I said earlier, it's a concept that can only make sense to theists and other primitives.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by JimC » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:53 pm

Śiva wrote:Many animals cause harm to others, some even seem to do it for their own amusement - cats will often murder mice slowly and not eat them. Why isn't that evil?
My suggestion is that domestic cats have retained many elements of kitten behaviour, and that playing with mice is a reflection of that; also, they typically will have been fed by their human slaves, and so the hunger motivation to kill quickly and start eating is not present.

I would be very surprised if such behaviour existed in wild or feral cats that totally depend on hunting for food.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by cronus » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:28 am

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Śiva wrote:Many animals cause harm to others, some even seem to do it for their own amusement - cats will often murder mice slowly and not eat them. Why isn't that evil?
My suggestion is that domestic cats have retained many elements of kitten behaviour, and that playing with mice is a reflection of that; also, they typically will have been fed by their human slaves, and so the hunger motivation to kill quickly and start eating is not present.

I would be very surprised if such behaviour existed in wild or feral cats that totally depend on hunting for food.
Everyone agrees cats get high on catnip and have immense self-motivation way beyond a canine. Yet when it comes to evil they squirm at the thought. :coffee:
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Hermit » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:38 am

Crap. Not a single cat has ever shown any interest in my magnificent potted catnip. They're all abstainers. Last week Mayhem woke me up by runniing around with a mouse at half past twelve. She played with it until half past nine. Then she ate it. Still not evil, though. I filmed the last couple of minutes of the mouses life. Could hear its bones being crunched.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by cronus » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:41 am

Hermit wrote:Crap. Not a single cat has ever shown any interest in my magnificent potted catnip. They're all abstainers. Last week Mayhem woke me up by runniing around with a mouse at half past twelve. She played with it until half past nine. Then she ate it. Still not evil, though. I filmed the last couple of minutes of the mouses life. Could hear its bones being crunched.
You must have a exciting life. :coffee:
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Hermit » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:46 am

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Hermit wrote:Crap. Not a single cat has ever shown any interest in my magnificent potted catnip. They're all abstainers. Last week Mayhem woke me up by runniing around with a mouse at half past twelve. She played with it until half past nine. Then she ate it. Still not evil, though. I filmed the last couple of minutes of the mouses life. Could hear its bones being crunched.
You must have a exciting life. :coffee:
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:19 pm

Hermit wrote:Crap. Not a single cat has ever shown any interest in my magnificent potted catnip. They're all abstainers. Last week Mayhem woke me up by runniing around with a mouse at half past twelve. She played with it until half past nine. Then she ate it. Still not evil, though. I filmed the last couple of minutes of the mouses life. Could hear its bones being crunched.
Disgusting but that is a cat owner; "My cat never does any harm". What kills most song birds in gardens? Handy if you have a toko in the area. It keeps down cat numbers.

It always amuses me the sad little notices put up after darling little pussy has gone missing. They never think that letting the beast out to roam around is not acceptable to plenty of other people.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:29 pm

Cows are evil btw.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

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Brian Peacock wrote:Cows are evil btw.
They are heavy.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:42 pm

And dull witted, and will clumsily trample you to death just to see if you're edible.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:56 pm

Quite possible.
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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Hermit » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:51 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Hermit wrote:Crap. Not a single cat has ever shown any interest in my magnificent potted catnip. They're all abstainers. Last week Mayhem woke me up by runniing around with a mouse at half past twelve. She played with it until half past nine. Then she ate it. Still not evil, though. I filmed the last couple of minutes of the mouses life. Could hear its bones being crunched.
Disgusting but that is a cat owner
Trust you to get things wrong again. I am not a cat owner. There are no cat owners. Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. You're too much of a sirry irriot to comprehend even the simplest and most obvious facts of life. Your sirriness is so total, it breaks some forum rule, I'm sure of it. In fact, I'll just...

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Re: Are some animals evil?

Post by Scot Dutchy » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:20 pm

Hermit wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
Hermit wrote:Crap. Not a single cat has ever shown any interest in my magnificent potted catnip. They're all abstainers. Last week Mayhem woke me up by runniing around with a mouse at half past twelve. She played with it until half past nine. Then she ate it. Still not evil, though. I filmed the last couple of minutes of the mouses life. Could hear its bones being crunched.
Disgusting but that is a cat owner
Trust you to get things wrong again. I am not a cat owner. There are no cat owners. Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. You're too much of a sirry irriot to comprehend even the simplest and most obvious facts of life. Your sirriness is so total, it breaks some forum rule, I'm sure of it. In fact, I'll just...

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A typical cat owner. Cats should be banned.
Cats killing huge numbers of British birds, Sir David Attenborough warns
TV naturalist says cat owners should buy bell collars to stop them killing 'an extraordinarily high number of birds in gardens'

Sir David Attenborough has warned that cats are killing huge numbers of birds in British gardens.

The TV naturalist said cat owners should buy bell collars for their pets to help stop the deaths.

Sir David, 87, features the robin on the Christmas Day edition of Radio 4 programme Tweet Of The Day.

He told the Radio Times that cats and the cold winter weather, when frozen ground makes it difficult to find food, are the biggest problems faced by birds.

"Cats kill an extraordinarily high number of birds in British gardens," the broadcaster said.

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It is not just true of Britain.

You allow your animal to play with another animal for half an hour before it kills it. That is just sick.
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