Are you carbon neutral yet?

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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by laklak » Fri May 08, 2015 5:56 pm

I'm sure there are plenty of greenies shivering in the winter and crapping in composting toilets to make up for my truck and boat.

Thanks, greenies!
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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by Seth » Fri May 08, 2015 6:19 pm

laklak wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of greenies shivering in the winter and crapping in composting toilets to make up for my truck and boat.

Thanks, greenies!
You wish. 99.99999999 percent of "greenies" are gross hypocrites who don't give a fuck about their own carbon footprint, they just want to control YOUR carbon footprint.

When I see EVERY PERSON who advocates for carbon emission controls living a zero-carbon-footprint, wearing hair shirts and sleeping under leaves in the forest, then I'll bother to pay attention to them. But so long as one swinging dick or smelly cunt among them uses a computer, drives a car, rides in a bus, consumes food or does anything else that excretes carbon, including breathing, they can all go fuck themselves.

You want to lead, lead by example or fuck off.
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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by Blind groper » Fri May 08, 2015 9:16 pm

With no joking, I can claim to be carbon negative. I live on a piece of ground that is 1.87 hectares (4 acres). I am replanting the whole area in native rain forest trees. I have largely completed that task, and the trees are growing. According to an article I read in NewScientist several years back, each acre planted in trees will absorb as much CO2 as one adult puts out. So my land is absorbing enough CO2 to compensate for my wife and I and two others. So I am carbon negative. Beat that you environment destroying assholes!

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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by laklak » Fri May 08, 2015 9:19 pm

I just checked my carbon footprint on one of those greeny website things. I'm in good shape after the Nepalese earthquake, since I only generate about 5 times the carbon they do and a lot more then 5 of them snuffed it.
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Post by piscator » Fri May 08, 2015 9:26 pm

laklak wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of greenies shivering in the winter and crapping in composting toilets to make up for my truck and boat.

Thanks, greenies!

Sure. But if we catch you discharging polluted wastewater in the 12-mile, we'll square the yards on your account, right quick. :ddpan:

A composting toilet is the way to go on a boat if you have women. You'll figure that out about the 3rd time you pump out a tankload of your ol' lady's excrement, or have to mount a Marpol placard on your binnacle and chain and padlock an illegal crapper to pass a CG courtesy inspection to catch a break on your insurance. This is to say nothing of the valves, hoses, pumps, tanks, and thru-hulls of a typical marine head, Captain. :FIO:

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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by Ian » Fri May 08, 2015 10:56 pm

I recycle a lot, I drive a hybrid, I don't waste water, I don't litter, and I vote Democratic.

Then again, I eat meat, I run my air conditioner all summer, and I tend to buy things regardless of whether they're made locally.

I'd say I do better than most. :dunno:

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Post by Seth » Fri May 08, 2015 11:31 pm

Blind groper wrote:With no joking, I can claim to be carbon negative. I live on a piece of ground that is 1.87 hectares (4 acres). I am replanting the whole area in native rain forest trees. I have largely completed that task, and the trees are growing. According to an article I read in NewScientist several years back, each acre planted in trees will absorb as much CO2 as one adult puts out. So my land is absorbing enough CO2 to compensate for my wife and I and two others. So I am carbon negative. Beat that you environment destroying assholes!
Dude, all that carbon in your cycle came from somewhere. You didn't manufacture it. Earth is a closed-loop system and all the carbon that is or ever was is all the carbon there ever will be, barring some asteroid strikes I suppose.

You're just moving it around. It's nice you're planting trees and all, I encourage that, but any CO2 you might excrete is just going back where it came from not long ago. It came from the food you eat, which took it out of the atmosphere, where it got because something else excreted it a little before that and so on and so on.

Everybody and everything on earth is carbon-neutral...in the long run. Carbon comes in, carbon goes out and the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round.
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Post by Seth » Fri May 08, 2015 11:32 pm

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laklak wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of greenies shivering in the winter and crapping in composting toilets to make up for my truck and boat.

Thanks, greenies!

Sure. But if we catch you discharging polluted wastewater in the 12-mile, we'll square the yards on your account, right quick. :ddpan:

A composting toilet is the way to go on a boat if you have women. You'll figure that out about the 3rd time you pump out a tankload of your ol' lady's excrement, or have to mount a Marpol placard on your binnacle and chain and padlock an illegal crapper to pass a CG courtesy inspection to catch a break on your insurance. This is to say nothing of the valves, hoses, pumps, tanks, and thru-hulls of a typical marine head, Captain. :FIO:
Hey, if whales get to shit in the sea, so do we.

Funny, I was just dreaming about this last night. I dreamed I had a yacht and rather than a head I had a toilet seat rigged off the transom and I'd just shit directly into the ocean. And I could steer at the same time.
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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by piscator » Sat May 09, 2015 12:55 am

A long way from carbon-neutral...
Although my home and ANC office get a good bit of electricity from CEA's hydroelectric generators, there's still a lot of natural gas burnt.
I used to run some de-watered WVO in my heating oil and boat, but it's not worth the trouble and waste issues to do it on a nontrivial scale. I run 5-10% biodiesel now instead, which is probably worse than petroleum but it has vastly better lubricity than straight ULSD.

Moving around up here is what gets ya. C-180 burns 12-13gph of avgas, and a PA-18 farts out 8-9gph. The 3406 Cat burns ~8gph of #2 diesel to push the boat @ 10knts. My crews drive 2 V8 Suburbans and 1 V10 Excursion, all 4x4. We have 100 hours of Bell 206 time booked this summer, and 1&2-man crews will be flying in commercial and charter planes as well as operating atvs and small boats.

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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by laklak » Sat May 09, 2015 2:34 am

12 miles up there? Here it's 9 in the Gulf and 3 on the Atlantic side, though there are no discharge zones around the Keys and Dry Tortugas. Yeah, the Y has to be padlocked inside the limit or your ass is in a sling. You ever use ElectroSan?
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Post by piscator » Sat May 09, 2015 4:35 am

< 3 miles from any land=State laws
3-12miles=Federal laws
In Alaska, there are also zones covered by other discharge management plans, and designated herring spawning areas are "Zero Tolerance Zones".

Never used an ElectroSan. Have an Evac vacuum/macerator system with Jabsco pumps which hasn't caused problems in 10 years or so.
Next blackwater system I replace will be with a composting toilet. They are the future. :whisper:


Don't forget about oil. If your boat bilges oil into the harbor, you get your picture in the paper here to go along with the fine. I'm pretty sure Florida discourages that sort of thing as well...

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Re: Are you carbon neutral yet?

Post by laklak » Sat May 09, 2015 1:22 pm

Pegasus has the vacuum/macerator heads and 40 gallon holding tank, for what we'll be doing in the near future that should be OK. We'll pump out when we hit a marina or dump when 9 miles out. Near future means while the big dog is still kicking around. Big Boo needs his 2 - 3 walks a day and he's too old to change, so we'll be close to land most of the time. It's going to be interesting getting him into a dinghy. I'll try to teach him to shit on one of those astroturf mats, but I'm not holding out much hope, he's pretty stubborn.

We'll be spending a lot of time up in the panhandle, there are plenty of local no discharge zones up there because of the oyster industry. And you're correct, Florida takes a rather dim view of bilge oil. Take nothing but fish, leave nothing but wake.
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