Does A Universe With Fixed Limits Prove God?

[Hermit]

there was a bit of extra salad in there that seemed superfluous to that general thesis. I thought he might have been trying to say something extra.

The extra is the sort of stuff you find in "New Age" type publications - gibberish to backfill around the nonsense they have served in the first place.

[rainbow]

I knew it. Rationalia is infested with religious fundies.

It was inevitable.



That's evolution for you.

[cronus]

A variation on the theme....

The universe is observed to follow universal rules. Simulations also do that, maybe the simulators set their own universal rules, we must obey ours. We have gravity and must obey it's equations. Maybe they don't worry about gravity because it's always possible to bring in some antigravity if you want to slow down, or travel into space? No rules or fewer or different, still makes constraints here the simulators don't worry about.

[Tero]

There are entire books on varying physical constants. Read one of them.

The simplest explanation is that matter and its particles pretty much define all. The constants are defined by matter. They can't be anything else. Sorry.

There is still free will. You can have chocolate vanilla or strawberry.

[Hermit]

The universe is observed to follow universal rules. Simulations also do that, maybe the simulators set their own universal rules, we must obey ours.

You're outdoing Deepak Chopra now. With just a little more sophistication you'll overtake Alvin Plantinga too.

[mistermack]

And with enough what's, can't you add a who? as a conjecture...

You certainly can.
Feel free.
I like to add a benevolent dog. He created our dogs in his image. They LOVE being petted, so he created humans as their servants, to feed them and pet them.
Dogs are really far more intelligent than humans, but they don't let on, because we would stop petting them. They are immortal, and get reborn as more dogs, whereas we only live once.

[cronus]

And with enough what's, can't you add a who? as a conjecture...

You certainly can.
Feel free.
I like to add a benevolent dog. He created our dogs in his image. They LOVE being petted, so he created humans as their servants, to feed them and pet them.
Dogs are really far more intelligent than humans, but they don't let on, because we would stop petting them. They are immortal, and get reborn as more dogs, whereas we only live once.

See what happens when you make weed legal?

[Azathoth]

Why would it? We have facts therefore god?

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[DaveDodo007]

A variation on the theme....

The universe is observed to follow universal rules. Simulations also do that, maybe the simulators set their own universal rules, we must obey ours. We have gravity and must obey it's equations. Maybe they don't worry about gravity because it's always possible to bring in some antigravity if you want to slow down, or travel into space? No rules or fewer or different, still makes constraints here the simulators don't worry about.

The so called 'rules' and 'laws' are for human consumption as in how we observe and understand the universe. At a basic level we are just trying to explain how matter interacts with other matter and non matter and the products there of. It only sounds magical and special to a bunch of mostly hairless apes in the back of beyond part of the universe.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

And with enough what's, can't you add a who?

That would be a matter to take up with our resident expert, Mr Horton.

[Animavore]

And with enough what's, can't you add a who?

A who is a what. That's the beauty of asking, "What caused the universe?"
Asking, "Who caused the universe?" is a loaded question*.











*The answer being fished for, by the way, is 'Barry'. Barry caused the universe

[Audley Strange]

I knew it! That fucking Barry, just typical of the prick.

God is just a placeholder concept for human ignorance.

[Svartalf]

Has it ever been anything elsse?

[Audley Strange]

Has it ever been anything elsse?

Well yeah most of the time they were a cultures equivalent of super-heroes. Then some dicks started fucking with the continuity and retconning some kind of Dr Manhattan analogue into their stories, usually an all powerful dude who created the universe, completely limiting the appeal of the others by having them become villains who always get defeated by the Prime Mover.

[Rum]

..and of course defining the 'place-holder' and interpreting what it thinks about how and where you should put your penis and what you should eat on Fridays.