Is this racist?

[Rum]

Its not racist at all by virtue of the actual definition of racism which dictionary.com states as:

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You simply don't like people making a point of their racial origins as if that makes them special in some way. I would tend to agree with you.

How is this:

The more they insist on identifying themselves through racial identity, the more I feel they should be mocked and treated with open bigotry and hostility for it.

not intolerance?

Well not really. He says he hates the insistence of identifying themselves through their racial identity. As I read it he means to 'big it up' or to make something of it that defines them as special.

Personally being proud of who one is as a result of accident of birth has always struck me as ludicrous and downright silly, so I kind of agree. That is not to say I (or Andrew I imagine) hate all people of that ethnic origin surely?

[Svartalf]

I find it much easier to just hate everyone who isn't exactly like me. Saves a lot of thought.

Even simpler, just hate everybody you aren't banging...
Yes, that includes your children, if any.

[Svartalf]

Its not racist at all by virtue of the actual definition of racism which dictionary.com states as:

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You simply don't like people making a point of their racial origins as if that makes them special in some way. I would tend to agree with you.

How is this:

The more they insist on identifying themselves through racial identity, the more I feel they should be mocked and treated with open bigotry and hostility for it.

not intolerance?

Well not really. He says he hates the insistence of identifying themselves through their racial identity. As I read it he means to 'big it up' or to make something of it that defines them as special.

Personally being proud of who one is as a result of accident of birth has always struck me as ludicrous and downright silly, so I kind of agree. That is not to say I (or Andrew I imagine) hate all people of that ethnic origin surely?

This, mister, is a typical plebeian misconception held by those that have neither the heritage, nor the qualities, to fully appreciate why their betters truly are such, and why their place is justified, if only by the native inferiority of the plebs.

[Rum]

Its not racist at all by virtue of the actual definition of racism which dictionary.com states as:

1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

You simply don't like people making a point of their racial origins as if that makes them special in some way. I would tend to agree with you.

How is this:

The more they insist on identifying themselves through racial identity, the more I feel they should be mocked and treated with open bigotry and hostility for it.

not intolerance?

Well not really. He says he hates the insistence of identifying themselves through their racial identity. As I read it he means to 'big it up' or to make something of it that defines them as special.

Personally being proud of who one is as a result of accident of birth has always struck me as ludicrous and downright silly, so I kind of agree. That is not to say I (or Andrew I imagine) hate all people of that ethnic origin surely?

This, mister, is a typical plebeian misconception held by those that have neither the heritage, nor the qualities, to fully appreciate why their betters truly are such, and why their place is justified, if only by the native inferiority of the plebs.

Wot?

[Svartalf]

My point, precisely

[Atheist-Lite]

I guess it is this kind of equality of races that allowed Stalin to move entire peoples enmasse or Hitler to stamp down on Roma Gypsys? Just pointing out the absurdity of taking extreme positions on this eternal quagmire of racialism/not racialism. Crumple is all for equality but there is timing that comes into his position and where the conversation is heading, who is directing the agenda and what their true motives are? Equality of races is often used to further some powerheads ambition regardless of the very real social upheaval such a position can make on the ground when it ignores cultures and their respective histories, mores and circumstances.

[Rum]

Personally I'm for shooting all people who refer to themselves in the third person.

[Atheist-Lite]

Personally I'm for shooting all people who refer to themselves in the third person.

The true Rum?

[hackenslash]

Personally I'm for shooting all people who refer to themselves in the third person.

Oh wait...

[Blind groper]

Andrewclunn and Sophia Loren are the same race..

Now here is a piece of racism I fervently believe.

Sophia Loren is superior, very superior, very very superior to Andrew Clunn.

[Svartalf]

or used to...

[Pappa]

This thread is somewhat inspired by the thread about an anti-black rally in Israel.

So first a quick confession. I have no problem with Asian people, but the moment I hear one of them mention "Asian pride" I instantly think less of them. I have no issue with Italians, but when one of them wears a shirt with an Italian flag on it or talks about their Italian heritage I view them as racial trash. I have similar views regarding pretty much any racial group or ethnic identity. The more they insist on identifying themselves through racial identity, the more I feel they should be mocked and treated with open bigotry and hostility for it. To this day when somebody makes a point to identify them self as Jewish I think, "Oh great, another one of God's chosen people with a persecution complex." It's not that I stereotype all jews. It's that I stereotype people who make a point to let me know that they're Jewish. For some reason I don't see that as racist. I'm not judging you based on your race. I'm judging you based on your clear desire to conform to that racial identity. Thoughts?

So you're cool with slant-eyes, niggers, wops, spics and kikes... as long as they promise to shut the fuck up about it?

[Hermit]

This thread is somewhat inspired by the thread about an anti-black rally in Israel.

So first a quick confession. I have no problem with Asian people, but the moment I hear one of them mention "Asian pride" I instantly think less of them. I have no issue with Italians, but when one of them wears a shirt with an Italian flag on it or talks about their Italian heritage I view them as racial trash. I have similar views regarding pretty much any racial group or ethnic identity. The more they insist on identifying themselves through racial identity, the more I feel they should be mocked and treated with open bigotry and hostility for it. To this day when somebody makes a point to identify them self as Jewish I think, "Oh great, another one of God's chosen people with a persecution complex." It's not that I stereotype all jews. It's that I stereotype people who make a point to let me know that they're Jewish. For some reason I don't see that as racist. I'm not judging you based on your race. I'm judging you based on your clear desire to conform to that racial identity. Thoughts?

So you're cool with slant-eyes, niggers, wops, spics and kikes... as long as they promise to shut the fuck up about it?

Good point. I regard racial pride statements, such as "Asian pride" as a reaction to being spat on, so to speak, as being inferior - a kind of compensation or resistance and simultaneously consciousness raising. That's where the 1960s slogan "Black is beautiful" also comes from.

The problem with all that is that helps to perpetuate the very notion of "race". Morgan Freeman put it like this:

[Svartalf]

Iz funny.. deh Jews in my hood they be nice, except the blackhats who do tend to be pushy and obnoxious.

[Warren Dew]

On the subject of white pride-- I think Columbus Day and St. Patrick's Day are celebrations of white pride. At least in New York, that's what they seem like...

(Examples to illustrate that white pride need not involve the Klan.)

St. Patrick's day is explicitly Irish, and is not a national holiday. Columbus day might serve to provide a national holiday for whites like Martin Luther King day does for blacks, but racial pride is more than just a one day thing.

To be more explicit, I think if one is okay with people expressing racial pride by wearing a black pride tee shirt, one whould be equally accepting of people expressing racial pride by wearing a stormfront tee shirt. Both are associated with groups that include racially divisive elements, but are broad enough that they are worn by people who don't necessarily agree with those elements.

Andrewclunn wants to mock people who wear those tee shirts. I'm okay with their wearing the tee shirts, but I'll disagree with the racially divisive rhetoric when I see it. I also recognize that those groups do not represent all people of their respective races.