Problematic Stuff

[Brian Peacock]

and the article was written by a feminist, so it's biased and wrong from the off.

[pErvinalia]

Feminists want to end democracy.

[Animavore]

There's a live incel on RatSkep.

[pErvinalia]

Invite the cunt over here!

[Forty Two]

There is misogyny, and there is misandry, and many feminists are quite biased with a difficult handle on the facts, and neither misogyny, nor misandry is "illegal" (in the US) and nobody said that neither "exists" because it's illegal -- nonfeminists also are quite biased with a difficult handle on the facts, as well. These are not mutually exclusive things.

[Animavore]

[Forty Two]

That's the funny thing about Incels. They're carping that there is some injustice in the world that makes it so they can't get laid.

Ummm... so? Perhaps a better goal would be to improve oneself, become happy with oneself irrespective of a relationship with another person, and to actually enjoy being friends and acquaintences with other people (including women).

If there is one thing they need to learn is that if you approach women with the central focus of banging them, you actually reduce your odds of banging them. Some women, of course, will jump right in the sack on a moment's notice, but most won't. There is just a simple basic fact that Incels need to be aware of -- that to get a woman in the sack, it's better to start of having a good time with her non-sexually, without even a thought of banging her. Have a good time. Actually try to enjoy being with her.

[pErvinalia]

A problematic incident occurred at Colorado State University this week. The university President seems to be suggesting that we should curtail the free speech rights of racists and white supremacists. When will this madness that's taking over Merka stop?!!

What can all of us take away from this experience? What can we learn from it to make ourselves and our community more just? It seems to me that we can all examine our conscience about the times in our own lives when we’ve crossed the street, avoided eye contact, or walked a little faster because we were concerned about the appearance of someone we didn’t know but who was different from us. That difference often, sadly, includes race. We have to be alert to this, look for it, recognize it – and stop it. We simply have got to expect and to be better; our children and our world deserve it and demand it.

I make that declarative statement from within a glass house: a white man in a position of authority. I have, in my own journey, come to believe that privilege is like someone shining a bright light in our eyes; it makes it hard to see things that others can see unless we force our eyes to adapt. It’s my personal hope that I’ll continue to get better at doing this, and that by doing so I’ll become a better president, colleague, and human being. It’s in that spirit that I offer these thoughts, not as someone offering any special expertise, but as someone walking alongside all of you as we make our journeys together.

We are, in fact, in a battle with hate within our communities. While much of what we have been speaking about is born of ignorance, we can educate against ignorance. The hate that is in the hearts of white supremacists as they attempt to frighten and isolate people across this country is not ignorance. It’s a malignant choice. The increase in racist and anti-Semitic symbols and language and demonstrations across America’s college campuses has been well-documented. We at CSU have simply chosen to deal with these issues in a more open manner, and that comes at a potential reputational cost to CSU for being public when such things occur. But history has shown us that hate grows in the face of silence. Hate is not made uncomfortable. Hate does not shrink from fear. What affects hate is our willingness to shine a bright and unwavering light on it and to face it and confront it.

There is no place for hate at Colorado State University, and we will not be silent when we see it.

So, to our community, I put the question: Where do we go from here?

Are we willing to push ourselves into uncomfortable places in order to see the reality of what people experience on our campus and how we help to perpetrate it, whether through action or inaction, collectively and as individuals?

If we can do that, then we take a big step toward assuring that everyone with the talent and motivation to earn a college degree here at CSU can do so in a setting in which they’ll be intellectually challenged, but also one that they’ll be proud to call home. That’s a goal we will never stop striving for; it is simply who we are.

https://safety.colostate.edu/

[Brian Peacock]

That's disgraceful, cuz we all know there's good folks on both sides don't we?

[Forty Two]

Of course what he said is not "disgraceful," Brian Peacock. Good people, of course, have a right and possibly a moral obligation to oppose the bad, and pretty much everyone agrees that Nazis and white supremacists are bad. What winds up confusing the situation is in the definition of what constitutes "hate." There are factions which define, say, refusing to use a pronoun as hate speech and tantamount to violence. There are those factions who would define people expressing opposition to abortion or same sex marriage as hate speech, and there are those factions who would suggest that "hate" is Milo Yiannopoulis, Charles Murray, Laura Kipnis, Janice Fiamengo, Christina Hoff-Sommers, Jordan Peterson.

The Southern Poverty Law Center considers Christina Hoff-Sommers a "hater" because she is considered a "male supremacist" who "advocates for the subjugation of women." Ayaan Hirsi Ali, they say is a preacher of hate.

So, when a college professor or administrator says that we need to oppose "hate" it's important to know where the "hate" line is being drawn. I think that's the main issue.

Obviously, everyone gets to draw the line wherever they want, but I think it's fair to say that we can't really assess what this Colorado State Administrator means by hate until he defines the term. Is "Vote for Trump" considered hate speech by him? Is "It's o.k. to be white?" Is it hate to oppose gay marriage? Is it hate to show a clip from The Agenda about pronoun usage?

The Devil is the Details.

[Brian Peacock]

The CSU line has been pretty clearly defined there don't you think? They're not prepared to tolerate the self-identified racists who, in the admins words, make a deliberate and malignant choice to promote hatred, fear, and division. What additional detail do you think is needed?

[Forty Two]

I re-read his statement, and I don't see anything about "self-identified" racists.

But, after clicking on the link, I read about the incident, and watched the video, regarding the incident on Colorado State's campus. Apparently some lady taking her adult child on a tour of CSU got nervous about these two scruffy looking fellows that joined up with their group late, and who, in her view, were acting weird. So she called the police -- who showed up, talked to the guys, made sure there was nothing untoward going on, and went on their way.

I'm not sure what's in the mind of the lady who called. Sounds like a freak to me. Is she racist? I don't know. The CSU president there was certainly implying that it was racist, and that his privilege "as a white man" may blind him to things, etc., and that we are in a battle of hate -- "The hate that is in the hearts of white supremacists as they attempt to frighten and isolate people across this country is not ignorance. It’s a malignant choice." Is he saying that the lady who made the phone call to police is a white supremacist who was attempting to frighten and isolate people as a "malignant" choice?

This is a weird incident. I'm not see a reason to have called the cops in the summaries, but details are sparse. I was searching for the nervous mother's point of view on this. Has she expanded on her reasons for calling in? Her 911 call was short on details. This is a good example of how powerful calling 911 is, and why people need to use their heads. Once you get that steamroller going, the cops are going to act like cops. They're going to show up and find out what's going on. To do that, they have to talk to people, and when cops talk to people, people get intimidated.

[Brian Peacock]

Do you think someone who affiliates with a white supremacist agenda is or isn't a racist?

[Forty Two]

"Affiliates with" a white supremacist agenda?

I think someone who HAS a white supremacist agenda is a white supremacist.

How is "affiliate with a white supremacist agenda" different from "having a white supremacist agenda?"

Have I missed something? Is the lady who called the cops affiliated with a white supremacist agenda? I confess, I've read five or six articles about this, read the President of CSU's statements, watched the video and listened to the 911 recording, but I may be missing all the facts.

[Brian Peacock]

I'm just covering the fact that an individual or a group might not be members of, or in an alliance with, other white supremisist organisations, and/or call themselves white supremacists. Therefore I identified the agenda as a determinant rather than mere belonging. Would you care to answer the question now?