Problematic Stuff

[Animavore]

Why do I keep getting notifications every time someone posts in the Old Man Yells at Cloud thread? I didn't create this thread and I haven't really posted here.

[Brian Peacock]

Why do I keep getting notifications every time someone posts in the Old Man Yells at Cloud thread? I didn't create this thread and I haven't really posted here.

You may have subscribed to it. Look for the the 'topic tools' at the top of the page and see if subscribe is checked. If that isn't the case check the new User Control Panel > Board Preferences > Edit notification options settings.

[JimC]

I have decided to ignore notifications entirely. I will not let the forum software oppress me!

[Brian Peacock]

I'm finding the new notification routines jolly useful.

[JimC]

Each to their own...

[pErvinalia]

OMFG. I can't take this.

I'm only going to address one thing:

What the right cares about is a different issue (whataboutism...).

If the right doesn't care about free market methods, then how can it be a left wing agenda that the left don't care about free market methods either?!?

Look, you need to read what I wrote instead of changing the issue.

Reliance on subsidies and other such means of advancing sustainable energy technologies, as opposed to free market methods. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/ ... -Rudd.html

Reliance on subsidies and other such means is part of left wing ideology. Read the link for further explanation of that position. The right wing see the sustainable energy movement, like the climate movement, as a means to push a left wing agenda.

This is neither complicated, nor controversial. I don't care what you think the right wing cares or doesn't care about. What you asked was how it could be a left wing issue. I explained how it can be a left wing issue. That's how.

Jesus Christ.. subsidies and protectionism is not solely a left wing thing. It's across the board. Your own fucking link earlier stated unequivocally that fossil fuels are subsidised, despite you characterising it as "fossil fuels aren't subsidised". The only difference between the left and right is what/who is the benefit of subsidies and protectionism.

[pErvinalia]

Why do I keep getting notifications every time someone posts in the Old Man Yells at Cloud thread? I didn't create this thread and I haven't really posted here.

It came with the software upgrade. Go to your UCP and unselect all the default notifications.

[Forty Two]

In the UK Snapp Dogg songs are illegal -- http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

....when tweeted by a white woman.

Very problematic.

[Forty Two]

OMFG. I can't take this.

I'm only going to address one thing:

What the right cares about is a different issue (whataboutism...).

If the right doesn't care about free market methods, then how can it be a left wing agenda that the left don't care about free market methods either?!?

Look, you need to read what I wrote instead of changing the issue.

Reliance on subsidies and other such means of advancing sustainable energy technologies, as opposed to free market methods. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/ ... -Rudd.html

Reliance on subsidies and other such means is part of left wing ideology. Read the link for further explanation of that position. The right wing see the sustainable energy movement, like the climate movement, as a means to push a left wing agenda.

This is neither complicated, nor controversial. I don't care what you think the right wing cares or doesn't care about. What you asked was how it could be a left wing issue. I explained how it can be a left wing issue. That's how.

Jesus Christ.. subsidies and protectionism is not solely a left wing thing. It's across the board. Your own fucking link earlier stated unequivocally that fossil fuels are subsidised, despite you characterising it as "fossil fuels aren't subsidised". The only difference between the left and right is what/who is the benefit of subsidies and protectionism.

Did you read the article I linked to. Look - the idea is that the sustainable energy issue is used as a means of advancing left wing policy options, including heavy subsidies, which generally speaking, are not favored by the "right wing."

I did not say "fossil fuels aren't subsidized." You said they are HEAVILY subsidized. I said they aren't (heavily subsidized) and then provided evidence that they are not heavily subsidized.

Left wing anti-capitalists have dictated the debate on tackling climate change and a Conservative approach is needed to prevent global warming, Amber Rudd, the energy and climate change secretary, will say on Friday.

“It cannot be left to one part of the political spectrum to dictate the solution and some of the loudest voices have approached the issue from a left-wing perspective,” she will say.

Ms Rudd will attack green policies that encourage “permanent reliance on subsidy” and call instead for a market-based approach to dealing with climate change.

But she will warn: “The bottom line is this - if we are acting on climate change to preserve our economic prosperity, we have to make sure that climate change action is pro-growth and pro-business.”

Ms Rudd is in the process of reviewing all green energy subsidies after forecasts showed they were likely to cost £1.5 billion more than a Treasury-set budget.

She will reiterate her calls to adopt a Thatcherite approach to global warming, citing the late Prime Minister’s 1990 speech, which she says “first put climate change on the international agenda”.

“She told the World Climate Conference in 1990 that ‘the danger of global warming is real enough for us to make changes and sacrifices, so that we do not live at the expense of future generations.’ I agree,” Ms Rudd will say.

The best way to tackle climate change is by “using free enterprise and competition to drive down the costs of climate action, to develop new technologies”, she will say.

The left wing approach involves permanent reliance on subsidies, and the right wing approach, according to Rudd, is to tackle it using free enterprise and competition to drive down costs of climage action and develop new technologies.

So, that's the point - she's making the point that colors the entire political debate. If you want to know why "the right" doesn't get on board with climate change science -- just look to the political solutions offered to combat it. Right or wrong, "the right" thinks "the left" uses climate change to bootstrap their left wing economic policies. That's why Kyoto went south -- the right wing (and many moderates) saw it as a bait and switch -- sold on the basis of combatting climate change, but really being a redsitribution of wealth scheme that saw countries like the US handing over massive amounts of money to other countries.

[pErvinalia]

and the right wing approach, according to Rudd, is to tackle it using free enterprise and competition to drive down costs of climage action and develop new technologies.

And that's bullshit, as I've mentioned (and you've apparently agreed) many times now.

[pErvinalia]

Using subsidies to promote certain industries/technologies is an EVERYTHING-WING agenda. Both sides of politics does it. The only reason the right don't want to do it for renewable technologies is that half of them don't believe in climate change, and the other half are in the pocket of the fossil fuels industry.

[JimC]

I think it's important that subsidies be time limited, in the sense that once they have done their job of helping a given renewable industry get started, they should be gradually cut back to nothing.

[Brian Peacock]

Definitely not problematic...

Alek Minassian, who plowed a rental van through a busy Toronto sidewalk on Monday, left little doubt as to why he killed 10 people, most of them women. Minutes before his attack, he posted a message on Facebook lauding the mass murderer Elliot O. Rodger and warned of an “incel rebellion” — a reference to an online community of “involuntarily celibate” men who believe women unjustly deny them sex.

Mr. Rodger, who killed six people in Isla Vista, Calif., in 2014, recorded YouTube videos raging against “spoiled, stuck-up” women he called “sluts” who sexually rejected him. And before Mr. Rodger, there was George Sodini, who killed three women in a Pennsylvania gym in 2009. He left behind an online diary complaining that women ignored him and that he hadn’t had sex in years.

Despite a great deal of evidence that connects the dots between these mass killers and radical misogynist groups, we still largely refer to the attackers as “lone wolves” — a mistake that ignores the preventable way these men’s fear and anger are deliberately cultivated and fed online.

Here’s the term we should all use instead: misogynist terrorism. Until we grapple with the disdain for women that drives these mass murderers, and the way that the killers are increasingly radicalized on the internet, there will be no stopping future tragedies.

Over the past decade, anti-women communities on the internet — ranging from “men’s rights” forums and incels to “pickup artists” — have grown exponentially. While these movements differ in small ways, what they have in common is an organized hatred of women; the animus is so pronounced that the hate-watch group Southern Poverty Law Center tracks their actions.

The other dangerous idea that connects these men is their shared belief that women — good-looking women, in particular — owe them sexual attention. The incel community that Mr. Minassian paid homage to, for example, was banned from Reddit last year because, among other issues, some adherents advocated rape as a means to end their celibacy.

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Later, after Mr. Rodger’s 140-page manifesto was released — outlining his fury over still being a “kissless virgin” — his name became synonymous on misogynist forums with revenge on women who reject men. Chris Harper-Mercer, who shot and killed nine people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon in 2015, mentioned Mr. Rodger by name in a manifesto he wrote in which he complained about being 26 years old with “no girlfriend, a virgin.”

And now, in the aftermath of the attack in Toronto, men on incel communities are hailing the killer as a “new saint,” with commenters changing their avatars to Mr. Minassian’s picture in tribute...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/o ... rists.html

[pErvinalia]

Well there's no misogyny in our societies because it's against the law.

[Svartalf]

and anyway, the dominant feminists are promoting misandry