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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:05 am

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eRv wrote:Credible evidence for this whackjobbery?
The group name and slogan in english seems pretty convincing. The lawfirm and judge are both members of a local la raza group.
Credible evidence for this whackjobbery?
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Post by piscator » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:48 am

La Raza or de la Raza is often appended to a name in formal society many places in Latin America. Hundreds of years ago in the Spanish colonies, it denoted some verifiable link to Spanish noble blood. Today in Mexico, the term means something closer to "Good family", with an alternate meaning of "All races".
Only knuckleheads try to portray the term in its direct English translation like it was one of their knucklehead hate groups.

Second, La Raza is something like a milder and more ecumenical Latino NAACP, a civil rights organization. There's not a damn thing wrong with it, nor is La Raza the least bit "subversive". They do a lot of good.

Third, Trump is going to back off of this thing, or go down months before the Election. Trump can't keep bein' Trump, he's gonna have to bow down. But he can't.
Washington (CNN)South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham said Tuesday that Donald Trump's criticism of a judge with Mexican heritage is an example of playing "the race card" and is "very un-American."

"I don't think he's racist but he's playing the race card. And in the political process he's putting the race card on the table," he told CNN Tuesday. "I think it's very un-American for a political leader to question whether a person can judge based on his heritage."

"If he continues this line of attack then I think people really need to reconsider the future of the party," Graham added.

The senator also urged Republicans backing Trump to rescind their endorsements following the presumptive Republican nominee's comments about judges' ethnicity and religion and discomfort with a potential jurist of the Muslim faith.
"This is the most un-American thing from a politician since Joe McCarthy," Graham told The New York Times.

"If anybody was looking for an off-ramp, this is probably it," he added. "There'll come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of Hillary"
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:53 am

Yeah, I think this is the battle to watch. Not Hillary vs Trump. But Trump vs himself. Can he tone down his idiotic persona, or is he doomed to suicide bomb himself out of contention?

And yeah, I know everyone who has discounted him has been wrong so far, but fuck, he really can't go on like this. But as you say, he can't help himself. He's a man-child who seems to have no self-control.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:43 am

Tyrannical wrote:It's more than just WND reporting on it. Pro illegal alien la raza affiliated law firm bringing the case, pro illegal la raza affiliated judge hearing the case.
Indeed you're correct. You can also find true-believing neo-Know Nothings yapping about it on sites like Townhall, Daily Caller and Breitbart. Fawning fanboy Hannity is spreading the word too. These all are included in the rubric: gullible clowns.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:59 am

piscator wrote:La Raza or de la Raza is often appended to a name in formal society many places in Latin America. Hundreds of years ago in the Spanish colonies, it denoted some verifiable link to Spanish noble blood. Today in Mexico, the term means something closer to "Good family", with an alternate meaning of "All races".
Only knuckleheads try to portray the term in its direct English translation like it was one of their knucklehead hate groups.
The website of the San Diego La Raza Lawyer's Association itself explains the term. However its explanation would only serve to raise the blood pressure of the blithering goons who're trying to make a meal of this. You can just about hear them growling through clenched teeth: "Mud people"
Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. In contrast, the term “Hispanic” has its origins in the 1970 U.S. Census, and the term “Latino” was officially adopted in 1997 by the U.S. Government in the ethnonym “Hispanic or Latino.”

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

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Post by Forty Two » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:37 pm

That's the softening of the meaning, but while it is used to refer to "the people," the people that it's referring to are specifically latinos. As Jose Gutierrez said, "eliminate the gringo," and when he founded the Raza Unida Party to elect latino candidates, "You can eliminate an individual in various ways. You can certainly kill him but that is not our intent at this moment. You can remove the base of support that he operates from be it economic, political, social. That is what we intend to do." He and his little Raza group thought they may have to kill whites, and it would be in self-defense, of course.

"It's too late for the gringo to make amends," he said. "Violence has got to come."

La Raza was not formed with some sort of egalitarian "we are all one race" of people thing to it. It does not mean that all people, including the gringos, are part of the "race" or the "people." Sure, it means just the "people" or the "community," but that people and community has not been contemplated to include white anglo-saxons, that's for sure.

This is typical leftist apologetics. They just love to say, "well, sure, of course, the word itself means "race," but, you dummies think it means race as in race. No, it doesn't mean race, it means all races together as one in a human race kind of thing and all love and kisses." Sure, of course, it means all people as one people -- of course! That's why it's called "the race," because people always refer to all races by referring to one particular race like that.... and then calling for the elimination of gringos.

You can believe "La Raza Lawyers Association," because they have no reason to soft-pedal the issue at all. La Raza means the people. Sure. They were going to call it La Gente, but got out voted. lol
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Post by piscator » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:16 am

I guess this Trump University thing is mainly a dollars decision for The Donald, with all he's got sunk in it and the bribes and kickbacks 'n shit. The principle of never giving back money to a sucker you conned has to be upheld too. The Presidency can hang, principles are principles, by Gum!

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:39 am

Forty Two wrote:That's the softening of the meaning, but while it is used to refer to "the people," the people that it's referring to are specifically latinos. As Jose Gutierrez said, "eliminate the gringo," and when he founded the Raza Unida Party to elect latino candidates, "You can eliminate an individual in various ways. You can certainly kill him but that is not our intent at this moment. You can remove the base of support that he operates from be it economic, political, social. That is what we intend to do." He and his little Raza group thought they may have to kill whites, and it would be in self-defense, of course.

"It's too late for the gringo to make amends," he said. "Violence has got to come."

La Raza was not formed with some sort of egalitarian "we are all one race" of people thing to it. It does not mean that all people, including the gringos, are part of the "race" or the "people." Sure, it means just the "people" or the "community," but that people and community has not been contemplated to include white anglo-saxons, that's for sure.
I will refer you to RedState: "The Dishonest Attempt To Associate Gonzalo Curiel With 'La Raza' "
oth Trump and certain lazy/dishonest conservative bloggers have attempted to affiliate Curiel with "La Raza."

What they are attempting to do is associate Curiel with the National Council of La Raza, the radical left-wing and pro-illegal-immigration group that has gained significant notoriety in the news over the years as a group that is both anti-American and open to fomenting violent pro-immigration protests.

Curiel, however, has no affiliation with this group whatsoever. He is a member of La Raza Lawyers of California - aka the Latino Bar Association of California. They have absolutely no affiliation with National Council of La Raza. As far as I can tell, they appear to be a pretty garden variety special interest lawyers association.


Now, you can jump up and down and point to the fact that the author says that he doesn't "really know much (anything) about Gonzalo Curiel, other than what [the author has] read in the papers," and ignore anything he says after that. I've looked into it, and I have found no evidence that Curiel is associated in any way with the National Council of La Raza, or with Raza Unida Party. Maybe you'll be so kind as to provide that evidence.

The Washington Post has also investigated this claim.

To recap this simple fact: San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association ≠ National Council of La Raza.

When Trump began his public tirade against Curiel, Trump campaign spokeswoman Katrina Pierson and other supporters conflated the two groups, which both use “La Raza.” But now, even conservative groups have acknowledged that they are separate organizations.

A literal translation for “La Raza” is “the race,” but it’s interpreted as a broader term describing the Latino community. Opponents of immigration note that the term has roots in the Chicano nationalization movement of the 1960s. But “La Raza” is a common name incorporated throughout the community and often used by Latino organizations and businesses, including restaurants and medical clinics. A search for “la raza” on yellowpages.com turned up more than 3,000 results in California alone.

“The only tie that we have is that we serve the Latino community, and they do as well,” said Luis Osuna, president of the lawyers association. “But they’re a politically driven advocacy group, and we’re just a local diversity Bar association that focuses on both diversity and equality in the legal field, but particularly among Latinos.”

Lisa Navarette, a spokeswoman for the National Council of La Raza, confirmed this, saying: “The two organizations know of each other but are two completely separate organizations, and nothing wrong with either organization. The judge is not a member of NCLR, but there wouldn’t be any issue if he was.”


Again, maybe you'll succeed where The Washington Post has failed.

Forty Two wrote:This is typical leftist apologetics. They just love to say, "well, sure, of course, the word itself means "race," but, you dummies think it means race as in race. No, it doesn't mean race, it means all races together as one in a human race kind of thing and all love and kisses." Sure, of course, it means all people as one people -- of course! That's why it's called "the race," because people always refer to all races by referring to one particular race like that.... and then calling for the elimination of gringos.

You can believe "La Raza Lawyers Association," because they have no reason to soft-pedal the issue at all. La Raza means the people. Sure. They were going to call it La Gente, but got out voted. lol


The association I cited acknowledges that the term refers to the people of Latin America.

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Post by Animavore » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:24 am

The Trump fail train is pulling into Failsville.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:26 am

Forty Two will be there waiting for it... :hehe:
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:55 am

piscator wrote:I guess this Trump University thing is mainly a dollars decision for The Donald, with all he's got sunk in it and the bribes and kickbacks 'n shit. The principle of never giving back money to a sucker you conned has to be upheld too. The Presidency can hang, principles are principles, by Gum!
Meh - neither one of us knows what the evidence is in the Trump U case. You convict him, because you start from the position that he's a scam artist. I reserve judgement. Most of the evidence in the case hasn't been made public. What we are privy to in the press is mainly allegations, and the press is notoriously bad at reporting on legal issues. The only thing they get wrong as much as legal issues are scientific issues. It's very difficult to understand the case unless you read the pleadings and other papers filed in the case, and unless, in particularly, you can read motions and briefs (especially summary judgment briefs, which organize and cite to evidence), or things like deposition transcripts, documentary evidence, affidavits, and the like.

Other than that, any pontificating on the case is really just political posturing.
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:59 am

L'Emmerdeur wrote: The association I cited acknowledges that the term refers to the people of Latin America.
Exactly. It's a racist term, and the go-round we're seeing in the media that the stupid-ass conservatives are too low-brow to look deeper into the true meaning of the word as "the people" is nonsense.

As to the other bits about Curiel's connection with the La Raza movement. The only thing I've heard is that he was a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association or something, but his mere membership in such a group doesn't really bother me, unless I learned something really damning about the group. Most lawyers associations are just groups where lawyers get newsletters, and meet once a month to talk about legal topics or have a happy hour mixer. I.e., I'm not saying Curiel adheres to the principles of La Raza or has any association with it. My only point was that La Raza isn't some egalitarian, non-racial group. It was founded as an anti-white activist group that advocated violence, and la raza doesn't mean "all the people, black, brown, tan, white and chalk."
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:05 pm

eRv wrote:Forty Two will be there waiting for it... :hehe:
I've never thought Trump had a great chance, relative to Hillary, to win. I have always maintained the following: (a) in my opinion, he's a better choice than Hillary, because he is more liberal than her, would be better for industry and business, and is not bought and paid for by the Wall Street lobby and foreign financiers, and (b) he has a better chance than the other Republicans in the offing, because the best that Cruz and the gang could do is take the same Red States that Romney took in 2012. None of them had any chance of invading blue territory. and (c) while Trump has a "chance" to invade blue territory (New England, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, maybe even California), as well as get the traditional Red States, that in no way means that he is the likely winner. I doubt it. Hillary has too many backers in the major media -- here in the US, we saw the coronation over the last few days. The major media outlets are lining up behind Clinton, and they are putting out cushy pro-Hillary segment after pro-Hillary segment.
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:18 pm

Some loose connection between the lawyer's associations to which the judge and law firm pressing the case are members -- http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/06/meet- ... community/ - it's not much of a connection, I think, but the devil will be in the facts of the interrelationships.

Where Trump is seeing dirty pool is where the judge is a member of the Hispanic National Bar Association, and that association has a current ongoing boycott of Trump businesses. So, Trump sees or implies that the judge support that boycott. Now, imagine you have a feminist youtube site involved in an intellectual property dispute under the DMCA, and the judge is a member of an anti-feminist group which is boycotting your youtube site. Would you be concerned?

Or, what if it was, say, the Atheist Alliance International group's president involved in some kind of litigation, and the judge belonged to a Christian group which was boycotting atheist businesses and published press release denouncing the AAI? Any concern there?
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:58 pm

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinio ... ise-at-37/

Trump (legal) Latino support at 37%, which might be a record for a Republican presidential candidate. Guess legals don't care much for illegals or drug gangs crossing the border.

Also hearing rumors that with the right message for blue collar workers trump could do well with blacks. Currently most are for Hillary, but they don't hate trump. Meaning you could be black, support trump and not be called an uncle tom.
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