response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks

[GrahamH]

The hotel video -
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bapUohJn ... re=channel[/youtube]

Citigo video -
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJvFjsl ... re=related[/youtube]

[Tigger]

Can I merge this thread with Mandelson's fabricated Muslim bollocks? Jesus H. Christ, conspiracy theorists.

[Cunt]

The funniest part of this is that the only conspiracy I can see is that Galaxian (along with other 'truthers' - if that is what they call themselves) are trying to sell a bunch of lies.

Hell, he doesn't even bother admitting mistakes, which means they must be lies.

The FBI didn't 'admit' anything like what you suggest, Galaxian. Are you in error, or a liar?

[joelbct]

Popular Mechanics had an article and a book directly and painstakingly debunking most of the claims made by the "9/11 truthers."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ths-planes
http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myth ... 158816635X

I'll admit, the so-called "9/11 truthers" have put together some convincing material, and late one night years ago after too much to drink, they had me going too.

But further research disproved their claims. And when they stick to their claims and disregard lots of evidence that contradicts their claims, they start to resemble the religious fundamentalists...

In the end, all this 9/11 conspiracy theory detracts from the REAL criminals and incompetents: The Bush administration for failing to prevent the attacks, and Islam and religion itself, for supplying the tool by which otherwise sane people could be convinced to murder themselves and thousands of innocents for a ludicrous figment of their collective imaginations...

[Galaxian]

Here's the Pentagon video I was talking about - you'll all have seen it before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Thank you for at least posting something. Just a pity it's way out of field. It's understandable why it took them an inordinate length of time just to get this & one other poxy video out to the public...they needed time to doctor them.
Look at the flight path & the fallen light poles in your video. The flight path is at variance both from several witnesses at the citco gas station and also at variance to the black box data. The witnesses & black box both state that the plane was nowhere near those light poles: They are to the South of the gas station, but the plane passed to the North of that station.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKov_UZDQE

Then the light poles themselves. Look at the gentle treatment they got from a supposedly 400 mph collision. They would have been mangled up & sheared, not merely slightly bent.
You mentioned something about the taxi that was struck by a pole. It got the same kid-gloves treatment as the light poles: There was zero damage to it, except the broken windscreen & a superficial cut to a back seat, not even a scratched hood! The windscreen was clearly smashed with a hammer, & the back seat cut with a knife:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_HxkC5lago

Finally we have the paltry security camera images, well doctored. Where is the plane? (yes I've seen the pixel subtraction further doctoring elsewhere). The video you posted imagines the plane as being little bigger than a Cessna. Here is a more realistic scaling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwrIsq4XaQg

There are several other videos on the net confirming that the plane should be easily visible.
All in all, the attempts by official version apologists to obfuscate the issue is repulsive. Time & again, your attitude has been "So what?" You have little skepticism or suspicion. You would be easily led in any dictatorship:
80+ surveillance tapes stolen: "So what?"
Only a few frames of 1 or 2 released after years & intense FOI pressure: "So what?"
No plane is visible: "So what?"
The contrail & smallness of object suggest a missile: "So what?"
The type of explosion is that of an explosive: "So what?"
The hole is just 15 feet across: "So what?"
The withholding of evidence is a tacit admission of guilt: "So what?"
The way the WTC towers fell is impossible: "So what?"
The crater, type, & fewness of debris at the Pentagon & Pennsylvania is worrisome: "So what?"
And on & on. You are determined to ignore the conspiracy. And in doing so become aiders & abettors of that crime

[Rum]

[Ian]

We need a "tin-foil hat" smilie.

Galaxian, you have your theories. I know actual people who were inside the Pentagon when it was hit. It. Was. A. Plane.

They way the towers fell is very simple: a Class Bravo fire turned into a Class Delta fire. Once that happened, collapse was inevitable.

[Trolldor]

Galaxian, you quote yourself in your signature. Why on Earth would we take you seriously?

[Ian]

Here's the ultimate reason why the "cruise missile" theory is crap: How could any conspirator possibly give it the thumbs up during the planning stages??
I can just see the conversation...

"The attack's nearly set sir, we've got three planes ready to go. However, you mentioned wanting to strike a 2nd target in the DC area besides the Capitol..."

"Yes, we need to make that happen."

"Well, we've only got three crews ready to hijack planes. We just don't have a fourth available."

"I know, I know... but we could use a cruise missile on the Pentagon and make it look like a plane."

"Yes sir, but there's just too many drawbacks. There's the problem of evidence. There's fact that the Pentagon is in a densely populated area - people are used to seeing planes around Reagan National Airport, but thousands would notice a subsonic cruise missile flying into the area in broad daylight. There's problem of hiding its source - discreetly launching it would have to be done at sea, and Navy crews aren't all classified at a high level, they just won't keep it quiet. And there's deniability - the other three we can blame on dead terrorists, but what if anyone proves that it was a missile? We'd be lynched on the South Lawn. It just doesn't make any sense to send three planes into targets and then add an American cruise missile to a fourth target just for good measure."

"That's all been considered. But George, we need that fourth target to be hit."

"If you say so, Dick..."

"I do. Consider it an order."

"Yes, Sir."

[Feck]

That fire ball doesn't look like a missile or a drone to me .. looks like a lot of aviation fuel !

[Galaxian]

We need a "tin-foil hat" smilie.
Galaxian, you have your theories. I know actual people who were inside the Pentagon when it was hit. It. Was. A. Plane.
They way the towers fell is very simple: a Class Bravo fire turned into a Class Delta fire. Once that happened, collapse was inevitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxNy5zzbyL4


"There comes a time when silence is betrayal". Martin Luther King.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U

[Ian]

You really are lost in your own little world, huh?

This forum would be perfectly happy to have you go away. Please consider it a suggestion.

[owtth]

Galaxian

There are not enough facepalms in existence for the muck you are spreading

[Thinking Aloud]

Here's the Pentagon video I was talking about - you'll all have seen it before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Thank you for at least posting something.

Just for clarity, the video was not mine.

I've no interest in this topic either way - just pointing out stuff that's on YouTube that I found interesting.

[Feck]

Here's the Pentagon video I was talking about - you'll all have seen it before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Thank you for at least posting something.

Just for clarity, the video was not mine.

I've no interest in this topic either way - just pointing out stuff that's on YouTube that I found interesting.

Some crazy ass flying skills on that drone to hit all those lamp posts !