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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by Animavore » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:14 am

Hermit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:36 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 am
Hermit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:57 am
Trump's approval rating has improved by 3.5 percentage points in the past two weeks.
- Among his base.
(Dis)approval ratings imply electoral appeal, animavore. Trump's electoral appeal has improved by 3.5 percentage points in the past fortnight.
Among his base.

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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by Hermit » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:39 am

Animavore wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:14 am
Hermit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:36 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 am
Hermit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:57 am
Trump's approval rating has improved by 3.5 percentage points in the past two weeks.
- Among his base.
(Dis)approval ratings imply electoral appeal, animavore. Trump's electoral appeal has improved by 3.5 percentage points in the past fortnight.
Among his base.
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 8#p1858108
I read the article when you posted it yesterday, and reread it just now in light of what you posted. Please quote the bit that explains how a rising approval rate does not necessarily imply electoral appeal to more people. A political base approves of the politician it supports by definition. Stronger loyalty will not increase the number of people who approve of that politician's policies. It will only intensify it. What am I missing?
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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:11 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:31 am
The polls show he can do it. Surely it's too late for another candidate to come forward. Majority of delegates have already been won.
I hope it isn't too late.

Even more, I hope their last minute candidate isn't Hillary.

That Cuomo guy is being hinted at, but I hope there will be a better one.

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Post by Seabass » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:53 pm

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it." —From the OSS’s psychological profile of Adolf Hitler

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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by Animavore » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:05 am

Hermit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:39 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:14 am
Hermit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:36 am
Animavore wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 am
Hermit wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:57 am
Trump's approval rating has improved by 3.5 percentage points in the past two weeks.
- Among his base.
(Dis)approval ratings imply electoral appeal, animavore. Trump's electoral appeal has improved by 3.5 percentage points in the past fortnight.
Among his base.
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 8#p1858108
I read the article when you posted it yesterday, and reread it just now in light of what you posted. Please quote the bit that explains how a rising approval rate does not necessarily imply electoral appeal to more people. A political base approves of the politician it supports by definition. Stronger loyalty will not increase the number of people who approve of that politician's policies. It will only intensify it. What am I missing?
Seems I misinterpreted it. Anyway, she thinks the bump won't last.

Neither do I if the bodies start piling.
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Post by laklak » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:31 pm

That's the key, innit? Bodies piling up, I mean.

So far we're doing OK, got about a 1.7% death rate which is low compared to a lot of other places. But who knows? Shit could get ugly fast. I'm certainly avoiding other ground apes as much as possible, but there are a fuckton of idiots out there who aren't.

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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:42 pm

The initial paper suggest a 2% mortality rate among all people who contract the virus. Epidemiological studies suggest anything from 50-80% infection rates among the general population. 2% of 50% of the US population is around 3.2 million. For context, in 2018 there were 2.8 million registered deaths.

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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by JimC » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:10 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
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The initial paper suggest a 2% mortality rate among all people who contract the virus. Epidemiological studies suggest anything from 50-80% infection rates among the general population. 2% of 50% of the US population is around 3.2 million. For context, in 2018 there were 2.8 million registered deaths.
There would be a fair bit of overlap between those figures. Older people who would have died in a given year from whatever will now instead die from coronavirus...
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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:27 pm

The broader point about there being “nobody here” to coordinate the response sells short what’s in place to handle an outbreak.

The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.

Among the health authorities overseeing the work are Dr. Anne Schuchat, CDC’s principal deputy director and a veteran of previous outbreaks, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIH’s infectious disease chief who has advised six presidents.
Is there a single claim that hasn't grossly distorted reality? Why shouldn't I care about that?

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

I hope people regardless of their political affiliation will see that it's unhelpful to keep piling on claims when so many previous ones have been shown to be misleading.
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Re: Bullshit is useful

Post by Cunt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 pm

Is testing bullshit?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... omponents/
Britain’s attempt to ramp up mass coronavirus testing has been dealt a blow after key components ordered from overseas were discovered to be contaminated with coronavirus, the Telegraph can disclose.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:11 pm

--fingers crossed they didn't order them from us.
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Post by Cunt » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:15 pm

Oh, it isn't the first article I've read about equipment contaminated with corona virus. It's why I suspect it of bullshittery.

Implication is mostly that it is sabotage by an unnamed authoritarian regime.
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