Forty Two wrote:Well, it seems to me that Ireland ought to be suspending deportations, and enacting programs to allow illegal immigrants to work in Ireland, utilize Ireland's universal healthcare system and attend public schools. That's what civilized countries should do, isn't it? Deporting people is so American.
I prefer to differentiate between refugees and economic opportunists. Your country has millions of the latter, mostly coming in from Mexico. I have no problem with them being sent back there, though there are some complications. One is children born in the US. The other the massive complicity of US citizens. I mean, how can millions of Mexicans work undetected for a decade or more without a social security number or a valid work visa?
Children born in the US are US citizens, which is a fact that has come under a lot of criticism in other threads. Civilized countries do not extend citizenship, generally speaking, to children who happen to be born on their soil. Thus, it's easier for civilized countries to deport folks, as they can't have "anchor babies."
The issue for the US is made more complicated by the sheer number of illegal immigrants, and the dearth of enforcement resources, plus a large political faction that actively works toward frustrating and minimizing the enforcement resources.
How they work undetected is by simply lying and using a fake social security number. The IRS and the immigration service are not working together. Also, employers in some industries like to hire illegals because they help depress wages. We have a movement in the US that says that we need illegals to do the crummy jobs that Americans won't do. The reality is that they do the jobs Americans won't do FOR THE WAGES OFFERED, because they pay illegals a wage which is then under the table or non taxed. Americans can't do that as readily, so they demand a higher wage to pay the higher cost of living.
Also, a good number of illegal aliens will simply operate businesses, which do not require social security numbers. You open a corporation or an LLC and operate that entity with its own tax ID number, and engage in trades work, cleaning services, and any number of small businesses.
One example I can give you is the cleaning industry - house cleaners - they work primarily for cash. So, what they do, some of them, is they come to the US illegally, and they work for some number of years sending money back to their home countries. There are communities of folks from different countries and they stick together, helping each other out. You'll have like a small bodega, Mexican store, and it's run by a mexican guy who knows the system, and he will charge like $10 or $20 to wire money to Mexico. So, someone runs a cleaning service, makes cash -- and this is like between $150 and $300 per day, cash. So, like $750 to $1500 per week, which is like $40,000 to $80,000 per year. They live extremely modestly, in low rent areas, and send bunches of that money home to their poor countries, like Mexico, or Brazil or wherever. One day, they buy a one way ticket to their home country, board a plane, and go live in their paid off home, with a load of tax-free cash in the bank.
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