Perhaps it's like Marmite?Cormac wrote:Yes.Mysturji wrote:But it seems so much longer.lordpasternack wrote:It's a very short book...Charlou wrote:Back on topic, and Catcher in the Rye is not a book I'm inclined to read any time soon as I have stacks of other books higher up my list of must reads ... So many books, so little time ...
Reading that book is like slowly inserting hot needles in ones eyes, and under one's fingernails and toenails...
Catcher in the Rye
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Then they for sudden joy did weep,
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
thy fool to lie: I would fain learn to lie.
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
thy fool to lie: I would fain learn to lie.
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
I liked Dubliners but I found Portrait of the artist a little meh in places. I tried Ulysses once but couldn't get more than 20 pages in - like you said, pure masturbation.Cormac wrote:Like Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake by Joyce. Utter bollox.FBM wrote:I've read that it helps to keep in mind that the narration is actually Holden talking to his psychiatrist or therapist, as the story reveals that he was put under psychiatric care. It was hard to pinpoint a single point that the book was trying to make, and you have to get into analyzing imagery and word choice and such, all of which makes it too much work, IMO. It was a worthwhile read for me, but nothing I'd rave about, exactly.
His earlier stuff was excellent, but then his ego masturbation took over, and he began to write fuck all.
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
Exactly - fucking disgusting.lordpasternack wrote:Perhaps it's like Marmite?Cormac wrote:Yes.Mysturji wrote:But it seems so much longer.lordpasternack wrote:It's a very short book...Charlou wrote:Back on topic, and Catcher in the Rye is not a book I'm inclined to read any time soon as I have stacks of other books higher up my list of must reads ... So many books, so little time ...
Reading that book is like slowly inserting hot needles in ones eyes, and under one's fingernails and toenails...
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is, in today's world, a bit meh. But it is an interesting exposition of the hypocrisy of Ireland at the time - the young man attending the "sodality" - a catholic holier than thou club where young men competed to seem holier than all the others, after which, said same young man repairs to a pub where he gets hammered, followed by a visit to a prostitute.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I liked Dubliners but I found Portrait of the artist a little meh in places. I tried Ulysses once but couldn't get more than 20 pages in - like you said, pure masturbation.Cormac wrote:Like Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake by Joyce. Utter bollox.FBM wrote:I've read that it helps to keep in mind that the narration is actually Holden talking to his psychiatrist or therapist, as the story reveals that he was put under psychiatric care. It was hard to pinpoint a single point that the book was trying to make, and you have to get into analyzing imagery and word choice and such, all of which makes it too much work, IMO. It was a worthwhile read for me, but nothing I'd rave about, exactly.
His earlier stuff was excellent, but then his ego masturbation took over, and he began to write fuck all.
Dublin at the time had the biggest population of prostitutes per capita in the entire British Empire.
I've read both Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake. Boooring.
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I guess I was exposed to his later stuff first, because I couldn't stomach even one book, though several parts of Dubliners were very interesting. On the whole, his style seemed like just so much self-aggrandizing posing. I've never had any patience or tolerance or respect for someone who writes in a deliberately obscure, impenetrable fashion.Cormac wrote:Like Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake by Joyce. Utter bollox.FBM wrote:I've read that it helps to keep in mind that the narration is actually Holden talking to his psychiatrist or therapist, as the story reveals that he was put under psychiatric care. It was hard to pinpoint a single point that the book was trying to make, and you have to get into analyzing imagery and word choice and such, all of which makes it too much work, IMO. It was a worthwhile read for me, but nothing I'd rave about, exactly.
His earlier stuff was excellent, but then his ego masturbation took over, and he began to write fuck all.
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
Yep, that is why I don't have much time for his two major works. Mind you, there were some interesting ideas in them. They did lay some foundations for later works.FBM wrote:I guess I was exposed to his later stuff first, because I couldn't stomach even one book, though several parts of Dubliners were very interesting. On the whole, his style seemed like just so much self-aggrandizing posing. I've never had any patience or tolerance or respect for someone who writes in a deliberately obscure, impenetrable fashion.Cormac wrote:Like Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake by Joyce. Utter bollox.FBM wrote:I've read that it helps to keep in mind that the narration is actually Holden talking to his psychiatrist or therapist, as the story reveals that he was put under psychiatric care. It was hard to pinpoint a single point that the book was trying to make, and you have to get into analyzing imagery and word choice and such, all of which makes it too much work, IMO. It was a worthwhile read for me, but nothing I'd rave about, exactly.
His earlier stuff was excellent, but then his ego masturbation took over, and he began to write fuck all.
For example, his idea in Ulysses was to relate a story in real time, as narrated through the individual observer in an unmediated uncensored manner - as if you were plugged into the protagonists head. Clever idea, until one realises what fucking boredom you'll create writing a book on this basis. It was fairly revolutionary for its time though.
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The whole 'stream of consciousness' thing was a good idea, and I tried both Joyce's and Faulkner's attempts at it. It's OK for a few pages, but after that it just gets annoying. I really don't enjoy spending 5 minutes interpreting every other sentence, only to figure out that the story itself isn't very interesting. I can do that with philosophy, but not novels. The Catcher in the Rye was the best attempt at it that I found readable.
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
CITR ? I've read it several times ,I have tried to find some empathy with Holden , but I just can't .Holden is a phoney
As for the merits of the book , I didn't like it I reread because I thought maybe there were depths my shallow brain had missed
I loved Lozzers Post , typical of Holden
Did anyone get the Idea that Holden might be gay ?
As for the merits of the book , I didn't like it I reread because I thought maybe there were depths my shallow brain had missed
I loved Lozzers Post , typical of Holden
Did anyone get the Idea that Holden might be gay ?
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Hated the damn thing.
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I liked it as a fairly pointless 'day in the life of' type book - but that was it. Try reading Brett Easton Ellis' Less Than Zero - similar sort of thing.
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
OK, I've been holding back, but now I've had enough soju to make this joke:
After you catch 'er in the rye, what are you going to do to her?
I'm so sorry. So deeply sorry. I hope no one is deeply scarred by that.
After you catch 'er in the rye, what are you going to do to her?
I'm so sorry. So deeply sorry. I hope no one is deeply scarred by that.
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
Just go away now.FBM wrote:OK, I've been holding back, but now I've had enough soju to make this joke:
After you catch 'er in the rye, what are you going to do to her?
I'm so sorry. So deeply sorry. I hope no one is deeply scarred by that.
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I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
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You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Just go away now.FBM wrote:OK, I've been holding back, but now I've had enough soju to make this joke:
After you catch 'er in the rye, what are you going to do to her?
I'm so sorry. So deeply sorry. I hope no one is deeply scarred by that.
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"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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Re: Catcher in the Rye
Well, the title of the story comes from a misinterpreted Robert Burns song - "Comin' thro the Rye" - wherein Burns says:FBM wrote:OK, I've been holding back, but now I've had enough soju to make this joke:
After you catch 'er in the rye, what are you going to do to her?
Gin a body meet a body
Comin thro' the rye,
Gin a body kiss a body,
Need a body cry?
But frankly - I think Burns would have gone for more than a mere kiss: http://www.bbc.co.uk/robertburns/works/ ... r_fairing/
Then they for sudden joy did weep,
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
thy fool to lie: I would fain learn to lie.
And I for sorrow sung,
That such a king should play bo-peep,
And go the fools among.
Prithee, nuncle, keep a schoolmaster that can teach
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I didn't know that! Yes, I think Burns would've given her the full Monty if he'd had the chance...^^^lordpasternack wrote:Well, the title of the story comes from a misinterpreted Robert Burns song - "Comin' thro the Rye" - wherein Burns says:FBM wrote:OK, I've been holding back, but now I've had enough soju to make this joke:
After you catch 'er in the rye, what are you going to do to her?
Gin a body meet a body
Comin thro' the rye,
Gin a body kiss a body,
Need a body cry?
But frankly - I think Burns would have gone for more than a mere kiss: http://www.bbc.co.uk/robertburns/works/ ... r_fairing/
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
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