The Picture of Dorian Grey

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Faithfree » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:53 am

Ele wrote:Artist Yinka Shonibare does a good Dorian Grey impersonation

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Animavore » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:55 am

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Animavore wrote:Wilde and Joyce. Proving that Irish people write English better than the English since 1881.
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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by cursuswalker » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:25 pm

Not read it but loved the recent film :)
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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by hadespussercats » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:51 pm

Faithfree wrote:
Ele wrote:Artist Yinka Shonibare does a good Dorian Grey impersonation

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So the Portrait of Dorian Grey was about blackface? I had no idea.

Of course, i'm unfamiliar with the picture you've posted, so my impression could be way off . ..

Anyway, the imagery from the story has proven so useful to so many authors it sometimes feels as though the whole book is floating around, complete, in the meme sphere. I think it's useful to read books like that, to see if conventional wisdom got them right.

I only made it halfway through "Anna Karenina", pursuing that end. Even less far through "Moby Dick". Sometimes, knowing the story from public discourse can make it difficult to wade though a longer text. Dorian Grey is a nice, quick read, though.

My favorite Wilde story deals with a nightingale, who loves a man, who loves a woman. It's completely heartbreaking, and I heartily recommend it, even though I'm unsure of the title.
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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by ficklefiend » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:07 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:First Impressions:

Flaming Homosexuals, the lot of 'em.


Will expand more when finished.

If you think the original is heavy on homos DO NOT read "Dorian" by Will Self. Lolz.
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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:17 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:First Impressions:

Flaming Homosexuals, the lot of 'em.


Will expand more when finished.
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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Ele » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:17 am

hadespussercats wrote: So the Portrait of Dorian Grey was about blackface? I had no idea.

Of course, i'm unfamiliar with the picture you've posted, so my impression could be way off . ..
That's not a white person with bootpolish on their face.
:lol:

He's a Nigerian artist, Yinka Shonibare. (As linked in my post) ... interpreting Dorian Gray in a series of photos for an art exhibition. Shonibare delves into the darker side of the dandy... The images are shot entirely in black and white; color enters the series only in the photograph depicting Gray's physical degeneration. He stands in horror, looking at himself in the mirror, a figure with suddenly wild, graying hair and rotting skin. Yet in Shonibare's retelling it is the death of the painter, not of the painting, that removes Gray from high society and leads to his physical transformation and death. The artist's casting of himself as Gray leads to intriguing speculation on the identity of the painter, who is white.

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Link » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:33 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
[SNIP]

My favorite Wilde story deals with a nightingale, who loves a man, who loves a woman. It's completely heartbreaking, and I heartily recommend it, even though I'm unsure of the title.
I think the story you mean is "The Nightingale and the Rose" in Wilde's book "The Happy Prince and Other Tales" It's a very good story.

I recently read Dorian Gray and was wondering all the way through, I wonder if I would see less homosexual subtext if i didn't know of Wilde's personal life. Almost as if we're seeing that subtext because we expect to see it. :eddy:

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Trolldor » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:57 pm

Link wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:
[SNIP]

My favorite Wilde story deals with a nightingale, who loves a man, who loves a woman. It's completely heartbreaking, and I heartily recommend it, even though I'm unsure of the title.
I think the story you mean is "The Nightingale and the Rose" in Wilde's book "The Happy Prince and Other Tales" It's a very good story.

I recently read Dorian Gray and was wondering all the way through, I wonder if I would see less homosexual subtext if i didn't know of Wilde's personal life. Almost as if we're seeing that subtext because we expect to see it. :eddy:
No. It is really, really gay. Especially how the men mewl own about t3h sexiness of t3h Dorian!
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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Link » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:06 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:
Link wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:
[SNIP]

My favorite Wilde story deals with a nightingale, who loves a man, who loves a woman. It's completely heartbreaking, and I heartily recommend it, even though I'm unsure of the title.
I think the story you mean is "The Nightingale and the Rose" in Wilde's book "The Happy Prince and Other Tales" It's a very good story.

I recently read Dorian Gray and was wondering all the way through, I wonder if I would see less homosexual subtext if i didn't know of Wilde's personal life. Almost as if we're seeing that subtext because we expect to see it. :eddy:
No. It is really, really gay. Especially how the men mewl own about t3h sexiness of t3h Dorian!
Haha that was my ultimate conclusion, They did witter on about how beautiful he was A LOT :funny:

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Elessarina » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:22 pm

Animavore wrote: Yeah. The English have a habit of calling successful Irish people their own.

Eddie Irvine anyone?

We have more than enough successful people of our own. :tea:

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Animavore » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:28 pm

Elessarina wrote:
Animavore wrote: Yeah. The English have a habit of calling successful Irish people their own.

Eddie Irvine anyone?

We have more than enough successful people of our own. :tea:
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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Elessarina » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:46 pm

Animavore wrote:
Elessarina wrote:
Animavore wrote: Yeah. The English have a habit of calling successful Irish people their own.

Eddie Irvine anyone?

We have more than enough successful people of our own. :tea:
Maybe but youse think you still own us.

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Trolldor » Sat May 01, 2010 4:05 pm

Elessarina wrote:
Animavore wrote: Yeah. The English have a habit of calling successful Irish people their own.

Eddie Irvine anyone?

We have more than enough successful people of our own. :tea:

YEAH! Like Stephen Fry!

And...


Erm...
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."

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Re: The Picture of Dorian Grey

Post by Trolldor » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:10 pm

Finally finished it.

Must say, very different to the popular rendition.
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