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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Pappa » Thu May 06, 2010 1:52 pm

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Arse wrote:In 28 Days Later - the "zombies" are supposedly infected with a virus that makes them super aggressive and angry. And yet they never attack each other, only non-infected people.
That could be a function of the virus... to help spread it more effectively.
Hmmm....okay. How about T2 then? Nothing dead is supposed to travel through time, so how did the T-1000, which is made of liquid metal, get through?
Maybe it has robotic consciousness and is 'alive'?

Dunno... it does seems impossible.

Obviously they just wanted a nude Arnie. :hehe:
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Link » Thu May 06, 2010 1:59 pm

Pappa wrote:
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Pappa wrote:
Arse wrote:In 28 Days Later - the "zombies" are supposedly infected with a virus that makes them super aggressive and angry. And yet they never attack each other, only non-infected people.
That could be a function of the virus... to help spread it more effectively.
Hmmm....okay. How about T2 then? Nothing dead is supposed to travel through time, so how did the T-1000, which is made of liquid metal, get through?
Maybe it has robotic consciousness and is 'alive'?

Dunno... it does seems impossible.

Obviously they just wanted a nude Arnie. :hehe:
Arnie could travel through fine as he was organic matter on a hard alloy skeleton, but the T-1000 liquid metal dude shouldn't have been able to come through.

Also the whole premise of sending a robot back in time to prevent that robot being made in the first place is mental, You learn that that causes a Paradox in Time Travel 101 :I-love-pork:

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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Arse » Thu May 06, 2010 2:04 pm

Arnie wasn't sent back in time to prevent himself from being made though, he was sent back to stop the T-1000 killing John Connor.

However, the most unbelievable thing in the entire Terminator franchise is the idea that anyone - even a lovesick soldier from a nightmare future - would ever volunteer to go back to the 1980s.
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

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Arse wrote:Arnie wasn't sent back in time to prevent himself from being made though, he was sent back to stop the T-1000 killing John Connor.

However, the most unbelievable thing in the entire Terminator franchise is the idea that anyone - even a lovesick soldier from a nightmare future - would ever volunteer to go back to the 1980s.
:hehe:

Ah but they did attempt to destroy Cyberdyne. Plus the chip that made the whole thing possible (which by the way was based on the remnants of the original Arnie Bot from the first film -another paradox) was then destroyed in the second film which is an impossibility It would be like going back in time and killing your parents so you are never born, you can't do it because then you wouldn't exist to go back in time and prevent your own birth in the first place.

Also T-1000 would never be able to kill John Connor because if he did John Connor wouldn't lead the resistance in the future and it would negate the reason for sending T-1000 back in the first place meaning Connor would live.

Although if you can look past the glaring Time Travelling mistakes the first two are still very good films (my personal favourite is T2)

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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Pappa » Thu May 06, 2010 2:30 pm

I'd love to see a film address the grandfather paradox. It could be comedy gold. Imagine, you travel back to kill your grandfather, but every attempt is met with absurd failure... your safety catch was on and he managed to get away, you spray him with bullets but they all hit the wall behind him making a perfect outline, you try to stab him but stub your toe on the coffee table and fall narowly missing stabbing yourself in the guts....

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu May 06, 2010 2:34 pm

Speaking of time paradocs, how about "The Sound of Thunder"? :(
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Trolldor » Thu May 06, 2010 3:22 pm

Animavore wrote: No. What I'm saying is that if the ship turned right upside down you would still be standing on the floor. Even if the ship doing fucking cartwheels through space you remain on the floor, sure it might be disorientating to look out the window but if you look the other way it is as if nothing is happening.
And this thread is called scientific revisionism, it's nothing to do with which is more fun, loud explosions are more fun than silence in a vacuum which is why they have them.

That's assuming it was designed to keep them on the floor, and not merely stop them from floating around.
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

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Animavore wrote: No. What I'm saying is that if the ship turned right upside down you would still be standing on the floor. Even if the ship doing fucking cartwheels through space you remain on the floor, sure it might be disorientating to look out the window but if you look the other way it is as if nothing is happening.
And this thread is called scientific revisionism, it's nothing to do with which is more fun, loud explosions are more fun than silence in a vacuum which is why they have them.

That's assuming it was designed to keep them on the floor, and not merely stop them from floating around.
The ship had taken a wee bit o' damage at that point. Could be something was knackered in that system?
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by colubridae » Thu May 06, 2010 5:17 pm

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Arse wrote:Arnie wasn't sent back in time to prevent himself from being made though, he was sent back to stop the T-1000 killing John Connor.

However, the most unbelievable thing in the entire Terminator franchise is the idea that anyone - even a lovesick soldier from a nightmare future - would ever volunteer to go back to the 1980s.
:hehe:

Ah but they did attempt to destroy Cyberdyne. Plus the chip that made the whole thing possible (which by the way was based on the remnants of the original Arnie Bot from the first film -another paradox) was then destroyed in the second film which is an impossibility It would be like going back in time and killing your parents so you are never born, you can't do it because then you wouldn't exist to go back in time and prevent your own birth in the first place.

Also T-1000 would never be able to kill John Connor because if he did John Connor wouldn't lead the resistance in the future and it would negate the reason for sending T-1000 back in the first place meaning Connor would live.

Although if you can look past the glaring Time Travelling mistakes the first two are still very good films (my personal favourite is T2)
Arnie was sent back in time to make lots of money for warner bros. :biggrin:
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by colubridae » Thu May 06, 2010 5:20 pm

Don't watch 'The time Traveller's Wife'

It's a chicks movie and I... :|~

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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu May 06, 2010 5:22 pm

colubridae wrote:Don't watch 'The time Traveller's Wife'

It's a chicks movie and I... :|~

(Mrs. Colubridae thought it was 'touching'. :D )
Same-same "The Cabin". :nono:
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Trolldor » Thu May 06, 2010 5:24 pm

colubridae wrote:
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Arse wrote:Arnie wasn't sent back in time to prevent himself from being made though, he was sent back to stop the T-1000 killing John Connor.

However, the most unbelievable thing in the entire Terminator franchise is the idea that anyone - even a lovesick soldier from a nightmare future - would ever volunteer to go back to the 1980s.
:hehe:

Ah but they did attempt to destroy Cyberdyne. Plus the chip that made the whole thing possible (which by the way was based on the remnants of the original Arnie Bot from the first film -another paradox) was then destroyed in the second film which is an impossibility It would be like going back in time and killing your parents so you are never born, you can't do it because then you wouldn't exist to go back in time and prevent your own birth in the first place.

Also T-1000 would never be able to kill John Connor because if he did John Connor wouldn't lead the resistance in the future and it would negate the reason for sending T-1000 back in the first place meaning Connor would live.

Although if you can look past the glaring Time Travelling mistakes the first two are still very good films (my personal favourite is T2)
Arnie was sent back in time to make lots of money for warner bros. :biggrin:

That whole 'time travel paradox' is predicated on the idea that Time is a linear set of events that must adhere to a strict guideline.
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Re: Most spectacular piece of scientific revisionism in film

Post by Animavore » Thu May 06, 2010 5:27 pm

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Animavore wrote: No. What I'm saying is that if the ship turned right upside down you would still be standing on the floor. Even if the ship doing fucking cartwheels through space you remain on the floor, sure it might be disorientating to look out the window but if you look the other way it is as if nothing is happening.
And this thread is called scientific revisionism, it's nothing to do with which is more fun, loud explosions are more fun than silence in a vacuum which is why they have them.
You're confusing artificial gravity with inertial dampers [/nerd]
Well even then the most that will happen as the ship lurches is you will sway. Maybe even fall over on the spot like on a ship but you wouldn't slide all the way across the floor because the gravity will remain below your feet, as opposed to The Poseidon where the force of gravity ended up toward the ceiling.
So my point still stands.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu May 06, 2010 5:29 pm

Time to call in Jamie and Adam. :read:
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Post by Trolldor » Thu May 06, 2010 5:29 pm

Is it so impossible to concieve of a gravity which, artifically constructed, is perfectly designed for dramatisation?
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