Grease - Sexist, Misogynistic, Patriarchal

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:07 pm

Everything is sexist -- including the Smurfs....

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Re: Grease - Sexist, Misogynistic, Patriarchal

Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:21 pm

Well, I can't watch that vid, but generally speaking... a lot of stuff IS sexist. :dunno:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:Well, I can't watch that vid, but generally speaking... a lot of stuff IS sexist. :dunno:
Have sexes is sexist, technically speaking. It's just a question of whether God or Mother Nature is the sexist! How dare they make women bear the burden of childbearing and men are enabled to pee standing up! :lay:

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:31 pm

If you think biological differences are the same as an accepted cultural perpetuation of men as doers and thinkers and women as helpless and only good for sitting around looking pretty and supporting men running the world, you're disingenuous or deluded.

Same as equating an invitation to coffee and physically grabbing someone.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:54 pm

Huh, well, good thing I never equated an invitation for coffee and physically grabbing someone.

And, I think that the idea that women are portrayed as "helpless and only good for sitting around looking pretty and supporting men running the world" is overstated considerably. I'm sure there are instances, but it seems to me there is just about as much portrayal of men as dumb and ineffectual, while women are competent and responsible.

If we want to look for "tropes" we can find them for men too, eh?

Men are portrayed as dumb, neanderthalish, incompetent boobs quite often, in commercials, on sit-coms and all over popular culture. In the youtube video, the media clips do not show women sitting around looking pretty and men running the world. They show men acting like dumb idiots, incapable of doing the simplest things, frying eggs -- can't do it. Work an air freshener - can't do it. Look up an address on the internet -- can't do it.

Sitcoms are rife with the dumbass husband -- Mad About You -- Tim "the Tool man" Taylor - Al Bundy -- Ray of Everybody Loves Raymond - Homer Simpson -- The King of Queens -- According to Jim --

Commercials quite often feature the moron man doing something stupid, only to have the day saved by the uber-competent female. http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_p ... tling-men/

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Re: Grease - Sexist, Misogynistic, Patriarchal

Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:01 pm

I agree - defining anyone by stereotypes is probably a bad thing to do and is a disservice to an individual. :biggrin:
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Re: Grease - Sexist, Misogynistic, Patriarchal

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:09 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:I agree - defining anyone by stereotypes is probably a bad thing to do and is a disservice to an individual. :biggrin:
I guess that depends. If we removed stereotypes than the stand-up comedian industry would collapse overnight, along with pretty much the movie industry and the television industry. I think the thing is that women aren't the only ones stereotyped. Everyone is. Sometimes women are stereotyped favorable, and other times not. It's like the British. Put the British in a Hollywood movie set in the 1940s, and you have good, honest, freedom-fighting folks who want only peace and fight only out of necessity. Put them in 1776, and they are stereotyped as evil murderers and elitist effete snobs.

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