Sicario (2015)

[Animavore]

That's the feeling the trailer portrays as well. I'll def wait for the DVD. Is the Martian out on DVD yet?

Yeah. It's out. Great movie.

[pErvinalia]

Ooh goodie!

[piscator]

Films like The Revenant get lauded because they're set against a background of ever increasingly bad movies and good is the new great.

Meanwhile The Martian, a movie with something to say, will get dumped on. They already offensively gave it a Golden Globe in the category of Best Musical or Comedy.

Haven't seen either yet. Waiting for 4k rips.

So, 2 guys are fucked, but good. One's wearing a bear, the other a spacesuit. The spacesuit movie has a message, the bear movie doesn't.

Good to know. Thanks.

[Pappa]

It bored me to tears.

Same here.

[Animavore]

It bored me to tears.

Same here.

I didn't like his other movie Prisoners either. People going on about how "morally ambiguous" they are as if this is new or even interesting.

[Pappa]

It bored me to tears.

Same here.

I didn't like his other movie Prisoners either. People going on about how "morally ambiguous" they are as if this is new or even interesting.

It wasn't even ambiguous. The US gov. colludes with a criminal to do morally and legally questionable things in the War on Drugs. The story was uninteresting for anyone who's every heard/read anything about the US's historic shenanigans, and it wasn't even interesting or original aside from that.

[piscator]

"Criminal"?

I've come to the conclusion this movie is too Amerocentric to move audiences in Europe. There's too much implied back story.
Moreover, imposing one's own cultural standards on another rarely leads to understanding.


The Medellin was a Mexican federal prosecutor who's wife and daughter were brutally murdered by the Cartel. Instead of taking his own life, he turned himself into an instrument of vengeance. He spoke Spanish with a Mexican accent. He had merely perfected his craft in Columbia, likely as an arm of the Columbian government rather than the Cartels.

Silvio, the Sonora State Policeman, knew of The Medellin from the leyendas and narcocorridos as well as the newspapers, which is how he knew his life was forfeit when he was caught red-handed unloading a trunkload of dope out of his patrulla.

The decision to suspend posse comitatus and unleash the dogs in a classic COIN operation came from very high in both Mexico's and America's respective governments. Why?
If you are Mexico or the US, how do you arrest, or even tax, a drug lord with 10,000 armed bodyguards, mechanized armor, and crew-served weapons? The answer is pure counterinsurgency. You make war on him by grabbing his money and interrogating his men as you work your way to the center of his web. Then you kill the motherfucker and take all his money.

Law enforcement works the same way with the same tools as the military, the differences are in degrees and limits. Information. Lines. Lines crossed.

[piscator]

It bored me to tears.

Same here.

I didn't like his other movie Prisoners either. People going on about how "morally ambiguous" they are as if this is new or even interesting.

It wasn't even ambiguous. The US gov. colludes with a criminal to do morally and legally questionable things in the War on Drugs. The story was uninteresting for anyone who's every heard/read anything about the US's historic shenanigans, and it wasn't even interesting or original aside from that.

DAS, a Colombian Federal police force, have worked with the British Army and Marines, particularly SAS/SBS, running COIN operations in the jungles of Columbia since the 80s. [This goes for Peru, Bolivia, and Chile too.]
DAS death squads have killed thousands and thousands of people they could have arrested, including a few thousand street kids in Bogota alone.