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The Shining.

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:25 pm

Continuing this from the top movies thread...

I orignally wrote this.
Kubrick seems to have made a movie which on the face of it seems like a dark farce (something I think all his later movies share) From Jack's daffy duck performance to Shelley's clothing and mannerisms being reflections of goofy (cartoon characters appear a lot in the movie) the whole thing has an air of the absurd about it, even down to the big teddy bear with the eyes that are mirror images of the dials above the bloody elevator. But beneath the overtly cartoonish aspect there are several things going on that I think Kubrick did deliberately to disturb the viewer, without them being conciously aware of it. For example the dead children appear in a corridor that is never seen in the hotel no matter how many times Kubrick maps the place out. The scene with Jack an the zombie chick in the bathtub seems to not be real but a vision of Danny's and of course there is the proliferating and disappearing photographs as well as the moving chairs(in many scenes including the dead girls scene and the bloody elevator) and entrance to the maze moving from the front of the building to the side. Some people have suggested such things are continuity errors. If so there are a lot, too many in fact for someone as obsessive about image as Kubrick I'd say.

There's the whole subtext of the hotel being a place for the elite, placed on an indian burial ground and Jack always being the "muderous" caretaker. This monster character sets about trying to kill a woman and a child and succeeds in killing a black man (a nigger cook as O'Grady has it). In this sense it becomes a horror movie about colonialism and oppression (even having Jack talking about booze being White Man's Burden. Having recently read the Decline and Fall of the British Empire, one of the things that stood out was just how drunk off our asses we were). The hotel manager even mentions them living in the West Wing. I'm stopping because I could go on and on and on.
Since people are encouraging me to rant on and on, I'll go into more depth. I should point out that Mr P's links to those videos astonished me, because I never realised people cared so much about it, I thought, like "Eyes Wide Shut" most people did not think it one of Kubrick's classics (fools on both counts.) I


..and on.

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Here is the original poster. Notice the blurred child has the eyes of the elevator dials.
Anyway let's start with the twins shall we? Apart from the "here's Johnny!" moment those two creepy little girls are probably the most well known part of the movie. "come and play with us. Come and play with us, forever and ever and ever." They say. This is directly echoed by Jack when Danny comes to see him and asks him if he likes it at the Overlook. "I wish we could stay here, forever and ever and ever." Says Jack cuddling his son. Is this coincidence or is it the voice of the Overlook? We know Danny is supposedly psychic so did Jack actually say that? I'm uncertain, but given the use of reflection and echo in the movie it is kind of creepy. Especially when you consider what Jack spends his time writing. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy."

Then there is Room 237, as I mentioned before this scene seems like some kind of dream sequence, one that is later echoed with Halloran. The soundtrack of thumping heartbeats and the cuts to Danny wide eyed and silently screaming suggests that something happened to HIM in room 237 as he claims. However in the scene it is Jack not Danny who sees the naked woman in the bath. It is only upon reflection in the mirror that he sees her as the grotesque which makes her "real" so to speak. Jack recoils in horror from this beautiful woman turned monster.

So did Jack see the same thing as Danny? I'm thinking no. I'm thinking if anything what we are seeing here is a projected trauma. We know that Jack hurts Danny prior to them going to the Overlook. Wendy's painfully desperate excuses to the doctor after "Toby" short circuits the kid early on in the movie make us think that it wasn't just an accident. That she claims proudly he's been sober for five months (I'll need to check that length, but I'm gonna watch it again for when I continue this properly) makes us think that the accident was recent, but when Jack is later talking to his reflection which has manifest as a barman in an empty ballroom (after he openly calls to sell his soul for a drink) he talks about injuring Danny three years ago. The guy has form.

If we look at the scene with Danny and Jack again he says at the very end of it. "You know I'd never do anything to hurt you." Is this a precursor to the abuse that then follows? Is Jack in there somewhere struggling with the very real demons inside him awoken by the hotel and his son's psychic ability that is amplifying it? Or is he just an abusive drunk who goes mad?
Or both?

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Re: The Shining.

Post by tattuchu » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:30 pm

I have this on DVD. Need to give it another watch.
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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:01 am

and on...

That scene ends and the next scene of significance is that of Danny playing with his toy cars. A tennis ball rolls towards him. Earlier we've seen Jack through a tennis ball against the large native American mural above the fireplace. Danny looks round to see that room 237 is open. We cut to Wendy who is in the boiler room. She hears Jack screaming and wakes him up as he tells her he had a dream of chopping them both to little pieces. Danny then comes in injured. Jack is detached from this as she blames him for the boy's injuries. Jack then starts getting pissed off as he wanders towards the Gold Room. The sign of which has moved again. The chairs at the bar are aligned until he sits on them at which point the alignment has changed as he talks to himself in the mirror and manifests Lloyd. At which point he goes into his drunken confessional.

Wendy runs in and tells him that there is a mad woman loose in the hotel who hurt Danny. Jack, now drunk on nothing, is skeptical. We cut then to Halloran. The entire scene is his vision of Danny screaming and seeing what happened in room 237, only it's Jack in the room with the woman, not Danny. When Jack leaves the room he leaves the keys in the door and then we cut back to a concerned Halloran. Something happened in room 237, but since Jack denies seeing a "goddamn thing" to Wendy. Perhaps what we are seeing is Danny's brain trying to project sense onto a trauma about being abused by Jack. There is a sexual element to it certainly. He also skips by the most likely scenario and blames the injuries on Danny doing it to himself saying no other explanation is possible.

When Wendy suggests taking Danny to the Doctors, Jack gets aggressive and defensive at the same time. Saying he's "into his work" but as we have seen she's the one that's been doing all the work. Even her clothing in this scene suggests this.

Oh yeah if Wendy is Goofy, then Danny is "Doc" as in Bugs Bunny. Pretty obvious that.

Also when Jack is throwing the tennis ball, Danny's toys are in view and lying right where Halloran dies is what looks to be a Golly. I might be mistaken about that, but it's a toy certainly in the same position as Halloran's eventual corpse.

When Jack returns to the Gold room for another drink the place is filled with evidence of a party and lots of guests dressed like the people from the photograph at the end. In this scene Grady bumps into him. Delbert, not Charles. I'm guessing that there is a theme of recurrance going on in this, since Delbert Grady admits he "corrected" his wife and two daughters after denying that he killed them. A reflection of an earlier Grady, who like Jack "has always been here". Just as Jack has always been the caretaker.

To me perhaps this is made more explicit by Jack's later rant against Wendy when she finally reads his "novel". In this scene we see those photographs, then Jack emerges in shadow. Wendy is clearly being verbally abused in this scene with Jack telling HER what SHE thinks and then retorting "I have a Contract" and ranting on about "moral and ethical principles." Which seem to me to be the kind of European Legalese that was used to rob the land from the natives in the first place. If the Overlook is on some indian burial ground, then perhaps it exists not only in historical time, but also in some mythic dreamtime state and the atrocities commited in it and around it. Perhaps the Hotel Labyrinth is temporal as well. Which would explain why Jack has always been there as well as Wendy finally seeing a room filled with corpses.

In the last scenes Jack has went from long winded rants to cliches, quotations and childrens rhymes, this degrades further until he can only shout "Danny" and then eventually shouting unintelligible noises like a wounded and dying animal, perhaps he has been reduced to the Minotaur in this maze no longer an agent with free will. His cadaver at the end has a similar look to much earlier in the movie when he just stares out the window at nothing for an uncomfortably long time.
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Re: The Shining.

Post by Ronja » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:03 am

. :woot: I found this thread (OK, that was easy).

Looking forward to lots of Shining goodies... and MiM will head straight here, or I know nothing of his favorite movies. :tup:

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Post by amused » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:49 am

then Jack emerges in shadow.
Keep an eye on how Jack is framed in the shots leading up to this. He is frequently against a light and dark background that splits at his head. In one shot, several wild angles of a doorway in the background that create light and dark areas emanate from his head. Wendy, by contrast is shown in one shot against a perfectly symmetrical background. When Jack talks to Danny on his knee and pushes him away when Danny asks if he'd hurt them, a door frame in the background separates them.

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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:14 pm

amused wrote:
then Jack emerges in shadow.
Keep an eye on how Jack is framed in the shots leading up to this. He is frequently against a light and dark background that splits at his head. In one shot, several wild angles of a doorway in the background that create light and dark areas emanate from his head. Wendy, by contrast is shown in one shot against a perfectly symmetrical background. When Jack talks to Danny on his knee and pushes him away when Danny asks if he'd hurt them, a door frame in the background separates them.
Indeed. I'm glad you contributed. Makes me seem less like a lunatic. Mind you after Mr P's links to the youtube videos, I found out there is a frightening amount of study on this movie that I never knew existed. I'm quite chuffed that a lot of my own opinions are not completely out there, and that others are seeing the same things. Continuity errors or not, it enriches the work.

I was just getting started. Have you noticed that all the moving photographs of people are in stark black and white and all the stationary photos of landscapes and animals are full often vividly coloured?

I'll be back later on.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:18 pm

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and he said The Shining was his fave horror movie of all time. :cheer:
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:17 pm

Class film in just about every way. The soundtrack is awesome...The big echoey spaces with wooden floors with quiet rugs laid out on them (tricycle scene)...the strange 'utility room' noises in the background during the quiet bits.
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Post by orpheus » Thu May 30, 2013 11:47 am

Anybody else see parallels with "l'année dernière à Marienbad" ("Last Year at Marienbad"), the film by Alain Resnais and Alain Ronbe-Grillet? Extraordinary film which Kubrick undoubtedly knew.
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