An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

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An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Gurdur » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:18 pm

An Open Letter from grass-roots atheists to the 2010 Global Atheist Convention, Melbourne, Australia

Please make a Comment on that blog entry if you agree to the Letter, and please publicise it.

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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by JimC » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:43 pm

Seems like a reasonable and common-sense message to me... :tup:
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Oster » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:36 am

We disassociate ourselves from all abusive individuals, whether anonymous or named, and we disassociate ourselves from all such abusive trolls who plague the media or the internet; they do not speak for atheism or for us at all,...
How does one "speak for atheism?"

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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Gurdur » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:08 am

Oster wrote:
We disassociate ourselves from all abusive individuals, whether anonymous or named, and we disassociate ourselves from all such abusive trolls who plague the media or the internet; they do not speak for atheism or for us at all,...
How does one "speak for atheism?"
Mind if we argue that one out some other time? Seems to me a practical, everyday reading of the phrase you quote is sufficient to the day thereof, and it doesn't seem like a very urgent issue needing explication stat.

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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by klr » Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:35 pm

Excellent letter. Succinct and to the point. :tup:

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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

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terrible. :pissed:

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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:43 pm

Gurdur wrote:
Oster wrote:
We disassociate ourselves from all abusive individuals, whether anonymous or named, and we disassociate ourselves from all such abusive trolls who plague the media or the internet; they do not speak for atheism or for us at all,...
How does one "speak for atheism?"
Mind if we argue that one out some other time? Seems to me a practical, everyday reading of the phrase you quote is sufficient to the day thereof, and it doesn't seem like a very urgent issue needing explication stat.
You don't mind if I speak for me occasionally?
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by RuleBritannia » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:46 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Gurdur wrote:
Oster wrote:
We disassociate ourselves from all abusive individuals, whether anonymous or named, and we disassociate ourselves from all such abusive trolls who plague the media or the internet; they do not speak for atheism or for us at all,...
How does one "speak for atheism?"
Mind if we argue that one out some other time? Seems to me a practical, everyday reading of the phrase you quote is sufficient to the day thereof, and it doesn't seem like a very urgent issue needing explication stat.
You don't mind if I speak for me occasionally?
That's why it's an open letter, if you don't agree, don't sign, pretty simple really.
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:47 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Gurdur wrote:
Oster wrote:
We disassociate ourselves from all abusive individuals, whether anonymous or named, and we disassociate ourselves from all such abusive trolls who plague the media or the internet; they do not speak for atheism or for us at all,...
How does one "speak for atheism?"
Mind if we argue that one out some other time? Seems to me a practical, everyday reading of the phrase you quote is sufficient to the day thereof, and it doesn't seem like a very urgent issue needing explication stat.
You don't mind if I speak for me occasionally?
That's why it's an open letter, if you don't agree, don't sign, pretty simple really.
I disagree. "speak for atheism"? How the fuck does one do that?
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Ironclad » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:49 pm

Good, good and great! 8-)
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by RuleBritannia » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:55 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:That's why it's an open letter, if you don't agree, don't sign, pretty simple really.
I disagree. "speak for atheism"? How the fuck does one do that?
I think you're just arguing for the sake of it really.
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:59 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:That's why it's an open letter, if you don't agree, don't sign, pretty simple really.
I disagree. "speak for atheism"? How the fuck does one do that?
I think you're just arguing for the sake of it really.
Well, you're wrong. I don't care for other people "speaking" for me. That letter is badly worded.
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by RuleBritannia » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:03 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:That's why it's an open letter, if you don't agree, don't sign, pretty simple really.
I disagree. "speak for atheism"? How the fuck does one do that?
I think you're just arguing for the sake of it really.
Well, you're wrong. I don't care for other people "speaking" for me. That letter is badly worded.
No you're wrong, the only instance of the phrase "speak for atheim" is in the following passage:

"We disassociate ourselves from all abusive individuals, whether anonymous or named, and we disassociate ourselves from all such abusive trolls who plague the media or the internet; they do not speak for atheism or for us at all, no matter how much they claim to do so. As part of that, we have initiated a public discussion about that problem."

What exactly do you object to?
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:06 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:That's why it's an open letter, if you don't agree, don't sign, pretty simple really.
I disagree. "speak for atheism"? How the fuck does one do that?
I think you're just arguing for the sake of it really.
Well, you're wrong. I don't care for other people "speaking" for me. That letter is badly worded.
No you're wrong, the only instance of the phrase "speak for atheim" is in the following passage:

"We disassociate ourselves from all abusive individuals, whether anonymous or named, and we disassociate ourselves from all such abusive trolls who plague the media or the internet; they do not speak for atheism or for us at all, no matter how much they claim to do so. As part of that, we have initiated a public discussion about that problem."

What exactly do you object to?
The determination that some people DON'T speak for "atheism", and the implication that others DO. It would have been better to say "do not speak for all atheists" and leave it at that.
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Re: An Open Letter from atheists to the Atheist Convention

Post by J.A.Poisson » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:30 pm

Gurdur wrote:
Please make a Comment on that blog entry if you agree to the Letter, and please publicise it.
Will you allow comments on the blog that disagree with it, and / or would you be willing to make changes to it?

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