Councillors in regional Victoria have said they are trying to recognise their local community's religious diversity by no longer opening their meetings with a Christian prayer.
The Macedon Ranges Shire Council in Central Victoria is the latest to make the shift.
The change, put forward by Councillor Natasha Gayfer, suggested replacing the prayer with an affirmation.
"I'd like to see council meetings open in a way that's more encompassing of the range of beliefs in our shire," Ms Gayfer said.
That affirmation is yet to be finalised and will be discussed this month.
Some councils across Victoria start their meetings with an Acknowledgment of Country accompanied by a prayer.
The Macedon Ranges Mayor, Jennifer Anderson, said she believes the prayer is no longer relevant to a religiously diverse society.
"I think it would be awful if someone felt uncomfortable saying at the beginning of a meeting that they were looking for God's guidance in what they did, if they didn't believe in God," Ms Anderson said.
Changing zeitgeist
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The old, automatic reflexes of a christian dominated society are changing, slowly but surely: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-03/c ... s/10307684
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War on Christianity!
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A further example, as if one were needed, of the Marxist conspiracy to erode 'traditional family values'. Political correctness hasn't just gone mad - it's picked up a goat and is running headlong into the jelly factory shouting "I'm the Banana King of Pickleland! I'm the Banana King of Pickleland!" Hanging's too good for them.
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No sense to religions. They are like bitcoin. They don't evolve even.
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Well they do actually - and quite a lot. They are still nonsense of course.
Luckily here in the UK our religion is part of the State structure, so it must be OK.
Luckily here in the UK our religion is part of the State structure, so it must be OK.
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Amen.
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The changing zeitgeist has different religions treated very differently.
In some countries, legislation is appearing which criminalizes 'Islamophobia'. I know a gay guy who genuinely fears sharia law creeping into his home. Is that a phobia? Or legit?
Why is it so rarely talked about in mainstream media?
In some countries, legislation is appearing which criminalizes 'Islamophobia'. I know a gay guy who genuinely fears sharia law creeping into his home. Is that a phobia? Or legit?
Why is it so rarely talked about in mainstream media?
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Isn't Fox the most watched news in the US?
I can't stand you right-wingers dude, it's exaggerated problems all the way down. Now we've got the exaggerated problem of a lack of coverage for the issues that most concern you.
Welcome to the club bud. Except not really, cause Fox News --the most watched news in America-- talks about the shit that worries you 24/7. What the fuck do you want?
Check your perspective already.
I can't stand you right-wingers dude, it's exaggerated problems all the way down. Now we've got the exaggerated problem of a lack of coverage for the issues that most concern you.
Welcome to the club bud. Except not really, cause Fox News --the most watched news in America-- talks about the shit that worries you 24/7. What the fuck do you want?
Check your perspective already.
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OK, I've been listening to a man named Tommy Robinson. Some old videos about him speaking out against Islamic 'grooming gangs' (a british euphemism for child rape)
He gets called 'white supremecist' pretty regularly. My bet is that no-one saying that has listened to him and his concerns.
He gets called 'white supremecist' pretty regularly. My bet is that no-one saying that has listened to him and his concerns.
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Islamic 'grooming gangs' ?
I was listening to some shit this morning about how teachers often label children as problems despite their behavior being normal for their age group. I've experienced this personally with my son. I was shocked to learn the teacher knew his behavior was normal, but that she was expecting the students to move toward some other behavior. Hello, dumbass, if the behavior is normal for that age group then the movement should be expected to occur as they age right? Anyway, this apparently happens a lot more to kids of color. I can believe that. They are suspending pre-school black kids --how fucked up is that?
Do you wanna bet the difficulties faced by black kids in schools is a greater problem than your Islamic grooming gangs?
There are too many issues to expect to be able to justify any single issue taking a majority of our time. We all get screwed.
I was listening to some shit this morning about how teachers often label children as problems despite their behavior being normal for their age group. I've experienced this personally with my son. I was shocked to learn the teacher knew his behavior was normal, but that she was expecting the students to move toward some other behavior. Hello, dumbass, if the behavior is normal for that age group then the movement should be expected to occur as they age right? Anyway, this apparently happens a lot more to kids of color. I can believe that. They are suspending pre-school black kids --how fucked up is that?
Do you wanna bet the difficulties faced by black kids in schools is a greater problem than your Islamic grooming gangs?
There are too many issues to expect to be able to justify any single issue taking a majority of our time. We all get screwed.
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Clarification: 'Islamic grooming gangs' are pretty much what is says on the tin here in the UK.
In a number of our larger towns and cities, where there are large Muslim communities, groups of (mostly) younger Muslim men have over the last couple of decades, realised that vulnerable young white teenage girls from dodgier and less stable backgrounds are ripe for sexual exploitation. Given the rather more conservative backgrounds most Muslims come from and a hypocritical value system that allowed them to view white girls as 'cheap' and 'deserving' of poor treatment that is what they did.
There have been a number of high profile prosecutions of these groups of men, leading to long terms of imprisonment.
One of the issues leading up to the issue being dealt with properly was the fear by the police and others that by identifying these brutes as 'Muslim' they might be seen as pursuing a racist agenda. We do seem to have got past that hurdle and the men, whatever their religious and cultural backgrounds are being thrown in the slammer now. And of course, not all are Muslim come to that.
In addition, young vulnerable girls are popping up on the radar of social service and the police as part of their systems. I was involved in setting up one of these 'safeguarding boards' when I retired in fact.
In a number of our larger towns and cities, where there are large Muslim communities, groups of (mostly) younger Muslim men have over the last couple of decades, realised that vulnerable young white teenage girls from dodgier and less stable backgrounds are ripe for sexual exploitation. Given the rather more conservative backgrounds most Muslims come from and a hypocritical value system that allowed them to view white girls as 'cheap' and 'deserving' of poor treatment that is what they did.
There have been a number of high profile prosecutions of these groups of men, leading to long terms of imprisonment.
One of the issues leading up to the issue being dealt with properly was the fear by the police and others that by identifying these brutes as 'Muslim' they might be seen as pursuing a racist agenda. We do seem to have got past that hurdle and the men, whatever their religious and cultural backgrounds are being thrown in the slammer now. And of course, not all are Muslim come to that.
In addition, young vulnerable girls are popping up on the radar of social service and the police as part of their systems. I was involved in setting up one of these 'safeguarding boards' when I retired in fact.
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You mean Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, Andrew McMaster, Paul Harris), former high-ranking member of the white-supremacist British National Party, former leader of the white supremacist English Defence League, former vice-chair of the white-supremacist British Freedom Party, and founder of the UK chapter of the pan-European white-supremacist Pegida organisation: the rampant homophobic, Islamophobic (a term which I think can be legitimately applied in this case), far-right British nationalist; that Tommy Robinson?Cunt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:39 pmOK, I've been listening to a man named Tommy Robinson. Some old videos about him speaking out against Islamic 'grooming gangs' (a british euphemism for child rape)
He gets called 'white supremecist' pretty regularly. My bet is that no-one saying that has listened to him and his concerns.
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If he becomes Prime Minster I'd say sound lad. (survival instinct)Brian Peacock wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:25 pmYou mean Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, Andrew McMaster, Paul Harris), former high-ranking member of the white-supremacist British National Party, former leader of the white supremacist English Defence League, former vice-chair of the white-supremacist British Freedom Party, and founder of the UK chapter of the pan-European white-supremacist Pegida organisation: the rampant homophobic, Islamophobic (a term which I think can be legitimately applied in this case), far-right British nationalist; that Tommy Robinson?Cunt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:39 pmOK, I've been listening to a man named Tommy Robinson. Some old videos about him speaking out against Islamic 'grooming gangs' (a british euphemism for child rape)
He gets called 'white supremecist' pretty regularly. My bet is that no-one saying that has listened to him and his concerns.
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Well that stinks Crumple.
Robinson is a cunt of the highest order and he exploited the grooming gang issue in order to stir up racial hatred, not because he had any sympathy for the girls in question.
The issue was however there and needed to be dealt with in the 'normal' manner with the judicial system. Robinson would have happily lynched them.
Robinson is a cunt of the highest order and he exploited the grooming gang issue in order to stir up racial hatred, not because he had any sympathy for the girls in question.
The issue was however there and needed to be dealt with in the 'normal' manner with the judicial system. Robinson would have happily lynched them.
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