Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:07 pm

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I must say I get pretty tired of people trying to create and/or categorise types of atheism. Once people reach that position people can take any number of stances and their outlook on life and existential issues can be many and various - only minus gods. End of. We only have to look at Atheism + to see what happens when you try to build a bandwagon around it.
indeed. 'Evangelical atheists' are just people who talk about it. 'Fundamental atheists' are, well, every atheist - it's not like we only have a partial disbelief in gods or only have a disbelief in gods some of the time is it? 'New atheists' are what we used to call 'atheists' - there's no categorical difference. Mostly these terms are used as ad homs peddled by insecure religionists.
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Hermit » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:08 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Hermit wrote:
JimC wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:Humanism has always struck me as falling into this kind of 'morality trap' too. We don't need religion, even a non-religious religions like humanism, to distinguish between good and bad action. The vast majority of so-called religious morality simply codifies the bounds and limits of bad action rather than describing and affirming notions of the good - like those who assert that something is OK if there's not a specific law against it.
If we don't need either religion or humanism to distinguish between good and bad actions, then what are we left with?
Reciprocity. That's where the "Do unto others..." comes from, and it is what generates our conception of justice and the sort of values we synthesise societies with.
Indeed. Reciprocity only needs a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind that recognises other entities as having incorrigible experiences just like we do.
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Animavore » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:10 pm

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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by laklak » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:20 pm

JimC wrote:Culture? Whose culture?
'Murikan, of course. The rest of all y'all are Degenerate Marxist Useful Idiots.

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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:43 pm

I believe in the creative power of people. My morality is what I say it is. Just don't expect me to know what it is I've said. It's a process!
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Tero » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:20 pm

So it’s OK to go over the hill and stone the men of the other tribe to death and steal the girls and women of child bearing age? But leaving behind the women they stole from our village. Just the fresh DNA.
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by JimC » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:13 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Hermit wrote:
JimC wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:Humanism has always struck me as falling into this kind of 'morality trap' too. We don't need religion, even a non-religious religions like humanism, to distinguish between good and bad action. The vast majority of so-called religious morality simply codifies the bounds and limits of bad action rather than describing and affirming notions of the good - like those who assert that something is OK if there's not a specific law against it.
If we don't need either religion or humanism to distinguish between good and bad actions, then what are we left with?
Reciprocity. That's where the "Do unto others..." comes from, and it is what generates our conception of justice and the sort of values we synthesise societies with.
Indeed. Reciprocity only needs a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind that recognises other entities as having incorrigible experiences just like we do.
I basically agree, but I think those naturally occurring human attributes are a starting point for a humanist philosophy, which can add measured, rational analysis of ethical issues to such emotional reactions. And within us as humans, we need to recognise that we have also the anger and aggression towards "others" which is the dark side of our evolutionary heritage...
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:22 pm

Animavore wrote:Gray still playing the same tune.
Yep. He's been dining out on his schtick of 'atheist sneers at other atheists' for well over a decade now. :yawn:

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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:25 pm

Hermit wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Hermit wrote:
JimC wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:Humanism has always struck me as falling into this kind of 'morality trap' too. We don't need religion, even a non-religious religions like humanism, to distinguish between good and bad action. The vast majority of so-called religious morality simply codifies the bounds and limits of bad action rather than describing and affirming notions of the good - like those who assert that something is OK if there's not a specific law against it.
If we don't need either religion or humanism to distinguish between good and bad actions, then what are we left with?
Reciprocity. That's where the "Do unto others..." comes from, and it is what generates our conception of justice and the sort of values we synthesise societies with.
Indeed. Reciprocity only needs a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind that recognises other entities as having incorrigible experiences just like we do.
You're taking the mickey, right?

Please confirm that you are. Poe's law is such a pain when it hits.
What suggested to you that I was taking the piss?
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Hermit » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:40 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:What suggested to you that I was taking the piss?
"...a pinch of empathy, and a dash of sympathy, and a drop or two of a theory of mind..." reminds me of this.

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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:09 am

:lol: You're right. I should have said "... and an iddi-biddi-bidda theory of mind..." :D
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by cronus » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:46 am

Humans are three meals away from losing all their evolved morality. I'm sure pigs feeding at a trough like to think they've some of that evolved morality also whilst they are sharing the overfill... :blah:
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:54 am

What sort of monster weighs the actions of a starving man against those of the well fed? --you babe, when will you learn to eat meat!
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Re: Atheist, but thinking in monotheistic modes?

Post by pErvinalia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:26 am

cronus wrote:Humans are three meals away from losing all their evolved morality. I'm sure pigs feeding at a trough like to think they've some of that evolved morality also whilst they are sharing the overfill... :blah:
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