Muslims believe in sharia law.

[Blind groper]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

According to the reference above, most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally. This includes, for example, the belief that any Muslim who leaves the faith and becomes atheist must be killed for his apostasy.

Nasty!

[cronus]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

According to the reference above, most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally. This includes, for example, the belief that any Muslim who leaves the faith and becomes atheist must be killed for his apostasy.

Nasty!

Same with The Bible. Full of dangerous clap-trap. My thinking is access to porn is the key. When populations have access to top notch high quality porn they are less likely to agree with the Imam/Priest. Even America since the arrival of free quality porn via the net the degree of religious nuttiness is decreasing year on year.

[laklak]

Yep, porn is a good start. Legalized weed would be the next step. Then baby eating.

Hail Satan!

[piscator]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

According to the reference above, most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally. This includes, for example, the belief that any Muslim who leaves the faith and becomes atheist must be killed for his apostasy.

Nasty!

That's why you can't depend on the Body of Islam to constrain IS in any way: The fundies have the strongest Scriptural argument.

[JimC]

Scumple wrote:

Same with The Bible. Full of dangerous clap-trap.

It is indeed, but the vast majority of christians merely give it lip service, and moreover largely live in secular societies whose laws and evolving social ethics largely trump any attempt by christianity to re-assert its earlier position of power; a toothless tiger, in the main, although the American fundies keep trying, bless their little pointy heads...

Not so with Islam; it never had the equivalent of an enlightenment, and it is far from toothless. A factor making it more deadly is it easily links itself to widespread resentment of the west deriving from economic and political reasons, plus having a perverse appeal to intelligent but disenfranchised youth.

[Seth]

Scumple wrote:

Same with The Bible. Full of dangerous clap-trap.

It is indeed, but the vast majority of christians merely give it lip service, and moreover largely live in secular societies whose laws and evolving social ethics largely trump any attempt by christianity to re-assert its earlier position of power; a toothless tiger, in the main, although the American fundies keep trying, bless their little pointy heads...

Not so with Islam; it never had the equivalent of an enlightenment, and it is far from toothless. A factor making it more deadly is it easily links itself to widespread resentment of the west deriving from economic and political reasons, plus having a perverse appeal to intelligent but disenfranchised youth.

Sure would be nice if you jackasses could figure out the distinction between "the bible" and the old and new testaments. They are not at all the same thing.

[JimC]

Scumple wrote:

Same with The Bible. Full of dangerous clap-trap.

It is indeed, but the vast majority of christians merely give it lip service, and moreover largely live in secular societies whose laws and evolving social ethics largely trump any attempt by christianity to re-assert its earlier position of power; a toothless tiger, in the main, although the American fundies keep trying, bless their little pointy heads...

Not so with Islam; it never had the equivalent of an enlightenment, and it is far from toothless. A factor making it more deadly is it easily links itself to widespread resentment of the west deriving from economic and political reasons, plus having a perverse appeal to intelligent but disenfranchised youth.

Sure would be nice if you jackasses could figure out the distinction between "the bible" and the old and new testaments. They are not at all the same thing.

Christians include both in their "Good Book". If they truly wanted to repudiate all the really nasty bits, they could simply use only the new testament...

And it would save a lot of printing costs!

[pErvinalia]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

According to the reference above, most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally. This includes, for example, the belief that any Muslim who leaves the faith and becomes atheist must be killed for his apostasy.

Nasty!

Sharia law Arabic: شريعة) is the body of Islamic law. The term means "way" or "path"; it is the legal framework within which the public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islam.

Sharia deals with all aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business law, contract law, sexuality, and social issues.

There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws that can be called Sharia. It is more like a system of several laws, based on the Qur'an, Hadith and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.

[Hermit]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

According to the reference above, most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally. This includes, for example, the belief that any Muslim who leaves the faith and becomes atheist must be killed for his apostasy.

Nasty!

The picture is not as clear cut as you claim. From the same study:







Additionally, most Muslims who do support Sharia (and it must be pointed out that the support for Sharia among Muslims is by no means uniform. It goes as low as 8%) do not regard suicide bombings as justified.



Those statistics put the extent of Islamic nastiness in its proper context, don't they?

[cronus]

I'm relieved about all those numbers. Especially on adultery and stoning - so low in Europe.

[JimC]

Hermit, those figures are still pretty damning. With the exception of a solid majority condemning suicide bombing (which is good to see), a surprisingly high % in most area favoured Sharia law applying also to non-muslims (utterly abhorrent in a context of secular rule of law). Also, significant majorities in muslim heartlands of the middle east, north Africa and south Asia clearly favour stoning to death as a punishment, and applying the death penalty to apostates. I would bet that only a relatively small number of muslims living in Western countries would follow suit, but that's not really the point...

I think the stats do put "islamic nastiness" in a proper context; it is significant, widespread, and not confined to a tiny minority of extremists...

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, I agree that there's a problem with Muslim non-enlightenment. My post was to point out to BG that "sharia" isn't simply the media's version of the rabid maniacs and their beliefs. It's interpretive, like most religious bollocks.

[cronus]

Yeah, I agree that there's a problem with Muslim non-enlightenment. My post was to point out to BG that "sharia" isn't simply the media's version of the rabid maniacs and their beliefs. It's interpretive, like most religious bollocks.

The data is in a nice healthy shade of green.

[Hermit]

Hermit, those figures are still pretty damning.

Fucking horrible, in fact. If you are looking for an argument about that, try someone else.

What I am arguing against is the implication in Blind groper's post that because most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally, that percentage of Muslims is in favour of the death penalty for apostasy. I regard that as a gross abuse of statistics. Piscator did something very similar when he claimed that "74% of all Muslims polled think death is the proper punishment for renouncing Islam." He came up with this extraordinarily baseless assertion while coincidentally linking the very same study as Blind groper as the supposed source.

There are many other instances of brazen abuse of statistics - sometimes to the point of straight out lying - made on all sorts of topics and I am getting a bit sick of this shit.

[piscator]

Hermit, those figures are still pretty damning.

Fucking horrible, in fact. If you are looking for an argument about that, try someone else.

What I am arguing against is the implication in Blind groper's post that because most Muslims in most countries believe that sharia is the revealed word of Allah and must be followed literally, that percentage of Muslims is in favour of the death penalty for apostasy. I regard that as a gross abuse of statistics. Piscator did something very similar when he claimed that "74% of all Muslims polled think death is the proper punishment for renouncing Islam." He came up with this extraordinarily baseless assertion while coincidentally linking the very same study as Blind groper as the supposed source.

There are many other instances of brazen abuse of statistics - sometimes to the point of straight out lying - made on all sorts of topics and I am getting a bit sick of this shit.

I'm about 74% sick of you, but I realize that if you ever met me in person, you'd have a sweeter tone in your fucking mouth. So I let it pass.

You're probably drunk anyway.