Cardinal Pell and Dawkins on Q-and-A

Post by **Faithfree** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:10 pm

Hope this link works beyond Oz: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3469101.htm

Just watched it on the TV. Dawkins is in Oz for the GAC in Melbourne next weekend. Cardinal Pell is Australia's most senior Catholic clergyman. Even if I was unbiased I'd have to admit that Pell stumbled through this like a drunk Ratz member trying to relocate a hotel during a meet. Can't believe he pulled the "Hitler and Stalin are examples of the results of atheism" line (that's not a direct quote, but I think that was the sentiment).

Post by **FBM** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:20 pm

Ah-ha! Thanks for the link, FF.

Too late here to watch it all tonight, I imagine, but I'll watch the rest tomorow...

Post by **Rum** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:29 pm

Thank for the link, but you know what? I started to watch and then saw all the old arguments being trotted out (from both sides to be fair) and thought no - there's better ways to spend the time.

Post by **Faithfree** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:42 pm

Rum wrote:Thank for the link, but you know what? I started to watch and then saw all the old arguments being trotted out (from both sides to be fair) and thought no - there's better ways to spend the time.

Having watched it all I can confirm there are no blinding new relevations, just a new place and time.

Post by **Atheist-Lite** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:11 pm

Faithfree wrote:
Rum wrote:Thank for the link, but you know what? I started to watch and then saw all the old arguments being trotted out (from both sides to be fair) and thought no - there's better ways to spend the time.
Having watched it all I can confirm there are no blinding new relevations, just a new place and time.

You cannot expect too much intellectual muscle from Australia. This is not a generalisation but it is a common feature of the cultural landscape downunder. When combined with the limitations of a Catholic mindset you are looking at the thought processes of a borderline cretin or halfwit.

Post by **Rum** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:36 pm

Crumple has a gift you know.

Post by **Faithfree** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:42 pm

Rum wrote:Crumple has a gift you know.

Who?

Post by **Rum** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:43 pm

Faithfree wrote:
Rum wrote:Crumple has a gift you know.
Who?

Quite.

Post by **Tero** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:24 pm

Hitler Stalin, moondust. Bones of middle ear. Eyes. Big bang. First cause.

It gets old.

Post by **Gawdzilla Sama** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:10 pm

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... orge-pell/

Post by **Thumpalumpacus** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:10 pm

Rum wrote:Thank for the link, but you know what? I started to watch and then saw all the old arguments being trotted out (from both sides to be fair) and thought no - there's better ways to spend the time.

Amen.

Post by **Mysturji** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:32 pm

My dyslexia must be acting up again.
You wrote "Cardinal Pell", but I read...

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

Post by **mistermack** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:17 pm

I was amazed at how stupid and ignorant the cardinal came across. He was prepared to pronounce on stuff that he didn't have a clue about, like Neanderthals. He clearly doesn't know the first thing about human evolution, so why give out all that bullshit about it? And then have to backtrack, and say that he didn't actually care anyway.
It was quite embarrassing to watch.
I thought the guy in the middle was VERY sharp, and asked some really good questions, without showing favour.
Richard Dawkins was just as he always is.
I'm no physicist, but I think he was a bit off-track with matter and anti-matter coming together resulting in nothing. I thought it resulted in huge quantities of energy being released. Maybe that's wrong though.

Apart from that, he was bang-on to the point, as usual.

Post by **Audley Strange** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:31 pm

mistermack wrote:I was amazed at how stupid and ignorant the cardinal came across.

Really? Here's a man that does not just believe in a fairy story, but actually made a career out of being an expert at it. Essentially he's like those fat balding guys that think they're dwarves who tend to own comic shops or hang around conventions, only his costume wearing demented antics are somehow seen as adding to his legitimacy, rather than being pitied as borderline desperate Aspie virgin.

One day they'll be wearing Jheri curls and red leather trousers jacket and talking about the Holy Jakko, who was the lover of children, who was both man and woman and neither. Who was betrayed by his own, sent to trial, acquitted and then was poisoned by the (hmmmm let's say) fiendish Messicants. (who by that time will have crafted violent drug cartels Santeria, Satanism and Catholicism into the mainstream orthodoxy.)

Either that or Yoda.

Post by **Tero** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:36 pm

I get almost nothing out of these anymore. It would be cool to recreate the Wilberforce debate with
Darwin backers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_Oxfor ... ion_debate
all the same shit.

rationalia.com

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