Fine tuned universe

[Tero]

The debater is not very good.



here is the explanation. I picked a chick with fine boobs.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

~99.9999% of the Universe is hard vacuum.
~99.9999% of what's left is flaming nuclear fireballs.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is cold interstellar gas.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barren, airless balls of rock or gas giants, neither of which can sustain life.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barely habitable planets like Mars.
Then we come to Earth.

[klr]

~99.9999% of the Universe is hard vacuum.
~99.9999% of what's left is flaming nuclear fireballs.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is cold interstellar gas.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barren, airless balls of rock or gas giants, neither of which can sustain life.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barely habitable planets like Mars.
Then we come to Earth.

... and in a billion years or so, even Earth will become uninhabitable, as the Sun gets gradually hotter.

Not to mention the fact that the there are already parts of the universe we can't see, and will never be able to. Nice one God.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

~99.9999% of the Universe is hard vacuum.
~99.9999% of what's left is flaming nuclear fireballs.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is cold interstellar gas.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barren, airless balls of rock or gas giants, neither of which can sustain life.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barely habitable planets like Mars.
Then we come to Earth.

... and in a billion years or so, even Earth will become uninhabitable, as the Sun gets gradually hotter.

Not to mention the fact that the there are already parts of the universe we can't see, and will never be able to. Nice one God.

The surface of our planet is 70% water. Population is less than 1 person per square mile in some places due to environmental issues. Antarctica is a great place to open a bar, you get your ice for free.

[klr]

... and of course the universe was around for 9 billion years or so before our solar system was even formed. And it took a few billion years for anything even remotely complex to evolve on Earth.

Fine-tuned me arse.

[Audley Strange]

Ergo, we do not exist.

[klr]

Ergo, we do not exist.

Well, we do exist, but countless zillions of would-be God-fearing humans on other planets throughout the universe are not so lucky

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ergo, we do not exist.

For the longest time we didn't exist. So, you're correct.

[Brian Peacock]

One day the Andromeda galaxy will smash into the Milky Way, but before that happens the Sun will have exploded in fireball that will have boiled away all trace that their was ever life on Earth. Another fine tuning fail.

It's a kind of arrogance, indeed a narcissistic solipsism, which maintains that the 13.7 billion year old universe was made just for the last 160,000-200,000 years of our species inhabitation of it.

I'll go with Douglas Adams' 'puddle theory' as an explanation for such patent stupidity...

[Svartalf]

Ergo, we do not exist.

I don't fuck, therefore I don't exist.

[Seth]

~99.9999% of the Universe is hard vacuum.
~99.9999% of what's left is flaming nuclear fireballs.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is cold interstellar gas.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barren, airless balls of rock or gas giants, neither of which can sustain life.
~99.9999% of what's left from that is barely habitable planets like Mars.
Then we come to Earth.

... and in a billion years or so, even Earth will become uninhabitable, as the Sun gets gradually hotter.

Not to mention the fact that the there are already parts of the universe we can't see, and will never be able to. Nice one God.

Perhaps those parts are not meant for you to see, and it's hubris to complain about it.

[Seth]

One day the Andromeda galaxy will smash into the Milky Way, but before that happens the Sun will have exploded in fireball that will have boiled away all trace that their was ever life on Earth. Another fine tuning fail.

Perhaps God intended for life on Earth to be obliterated. Indeed, the Bible suggests precisely that, with all the believers going to live eternally somewhere else. God may not particularly care what happens to the left-over bits in this universe. How does such a fate for the galaxies or the universe for that matter qualify as a "fine tuning fail?" After all, you would have to know the ultimate intent and purpose of the Creator for the universe in order to call it a "fail." Do you claim to know the mind of God?

It's a kind of arrogance, indeed a narcissistic solipsism, which maintains that the 13.7 billion year old universe was made just for the last 160,000-200,000 years of our species inhabitation of it.

How so? If that's what God intended, what business is it of yours how long it took to get to where he wanted it?

I'll go with Douglas Adams' 'puddle theory' as an explanation for such patent stupidity...

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Have you been to the planning office lately? I hear the Vogons have put in an application for an interstellar bypass...

[surreptitious57]

There is a way out and it is this
If between now and when the Sun
implodes we can develop commercial
space travel with capability way beyond
the Solar System we can preserve the race
least in part : it would be practical to find an
habitable world with similar atmosphere though
the odds on that are probably next to infinitesimal
but what is the alternative : to sit here for five more
billion years waiting for the Sun to implode and turn into
a dwarf star while we die from lack of heat : might as well
start looking around now : this might take longer than we think

[Hermit]

At what point does the chance of something to happen become so unlikely that it becomes impossible without divine intervention? The "unlikely, therefore God" brigade does not and cannot provide a criterion with which to decide that. It just asserts that for unknown reasons unlikelihood flips into impossibility somewhere.

Flip a coin. At what point can you say a continuous series of it landing tails up is so huge that it can only happen because a god's design made it possible? Is the threshold 1 in 10^50,000,000,000, or whatever? If so, how do the fine-tuners know?

Conflating unlikelihood with impossibility is a cheap, underhanded trick.

[surreptitious57]

The odds on a coin landing tails
up continuously are exactly the same
as any other probability given that it has an
equal chance of landing heads or tails every time
This is the classic human error of seeing patterns that
do not exist such as one two three four five six the winning
numbers of the lottery : odds on that happening exactly the same
as for any other possible permutatation : we are hard wired see all types
of connections when in reality they are only so because we give them such an
unnecessary significance when in reality there is none at all : such is human frailty