"What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians?"

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"What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians?"

Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:15 pm

Errr.... where to start? :ask:

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Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler, Jr., is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler, Jr., Special to CNN

Here we go again.

Every four years, with every new presidential election cycle, public voices sound the alarm that the evangelicals are back. What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians?

Just a few years ago, author Kevin Phillips told intellectual elites to run for cover, claiming that well-organized evangelicals were attempting to turn America into a theocratic state. In “American Theocracy,” Phillips warned of the growing influence of Bible-believing, born-again, theologically conservative voters who were determined to create a theocracy.

Writer Michelle Goldberg, meanwhile, has warned of a new Christian nationalism, based in “dominion theology.” Chris Hedges topped that by calling conservative Christians “American fascists.”

And so-called New Atheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris claim that conservative Christians are nothing less than a threat to democracy. They prescribe atheism and secularism as the antidotes.

This presidential cycle, the alarms have started earlier than usual. Ryan Lizza, profiling Rep. Michele Bachmann for The New Yorker, informed his readers that “Bachmann belongs to a generation of Christian conservatives whose views have been shaped by institutions, tracts, and leaders not commonly known to secular Americans, or even to most Christians.”

Change just a few strategic words and the same would be true of Barack Obama or any other presidential candidate. Every candidate is shaped by influences not known to all and by institutions that other Americans might find strange.

What stories like this really show is that the secular elites assume that their own institutions and leaders are normative.

The New Yorker accused Bachmann of being concerned with developing a Christian worldview, ignoring the fact that every thinking person operates out of some kind of worldview. The article treated statements about wifely submission to husbands and Christian influence in art as bizarre and bellicose.

When Rick Perry questioned the theory of evolution, Dawkins launched into full-on apoplexy, wondering aloud how anyone who questions evolution could be considered intelligent, even as polls indicate that a majority of Americans question evolution.

Bill Keller, then executive editor of The New York Times, topped all the rest by seeming to suggest that conservative Christians should be compared to those who believe in space aliens. He complained that “when it comes to the religious beliefs of our would-be presidents, we are a little squeamish about probing too aggressively.”

Really? Earlier this month, comedian Penn Jillette - a well–known atheist - wrote a very serious op-ed complaining of the political influence of “bugnut Christians,” in the pages of The Los Angeles Times, no less. Detect a pattern here?

By now, this is probably being read as a complaint against the secular elites and prominent voices in the mainstream media. It’s not.

If evangelicals intend to engage public issues and cultural concerns, we have to be ready for the scrutiny and discomfort that comes with disagreement over matters of importance. We have to risk being misunderstood - and even misrepresented - if we intend to say anything worth hearing.

Are evangelicals dangerous? Well, certainly not in the sense that more secular voices warn. The vast majority of evangelicals are not attempting to create a theocracy, or to oppose democracy.

To the contrary, evangelicals are dangerous to the secularist vision of this nation and its future precisely because we are committed to participatory democracy.

As Christians committed to the Bible, evangelicals have learned to advocate on behalf of the unborn, believing that every single human being, at every stage of development, is made in God’s image.

Evangelicals worry about the fate of marriage and the family, believing that the pattern for human relatedness set out in Scripture will lead to the greatest human flourishing.

We are deeply concerned about a host of moral and cultural issues, from how to address poverty to how to be good stewards of the earth, and on some of these there is a fairly high degree of disagreement even among us.

Above all, evangelicals are those who believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and are most concerned about telling others about Jesus. Most of America’s evangelical Christians are busy raising their children, working to support their families and investing energy in their local churches.

But over recent decades, evangelical Christians have learned that the gospel has implications for every dimension of life, including our political responsibility.

We’re dangerous only to those who want more secular voices to have a virtual monopoly in public life.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler, Jr
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:17 pm

We’re dangerous only to those who want more secular voices to have a virtual monopoly in public life.
We’re dangerous only to those who want to threaten our virtual monopoly in public life.
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:18 pm

Question answered. Thread locked.
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by Feck » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:33 pm

When Rick Perry questioned the theory of evolution, Dawkins launched into full-on apoplexy, wondering aloud how anyone who questions evolution could be considered intelligent, even as polls indicate that a majority of Americans question evolution.



Well it's not the questioning it that counts, it's the sticking your fingers in your ears and gibbering ' My Grandmother was not a Monkey ' when it's explained to you !
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:39 pm

Why is it when rational people get rightly frustrated with idiots' nonsense the former are always painted as apoplectic, strident, etc., as if ignorance is a valid viewpoint that must be "respected"? Who WOULDN'T be frustrated to the point of short-temperedness by such willing obtuseness? :banghead:
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Bella Fortuna wrote:Why is it when rational people get rightly frustrated with idiots' nonsense the former are always painted as apoplectic, strident, etc., as if ignorance is a valid viewpoint that must be "respected"? Who WOULDN'T be frustrated to the point of short-temperedness by such willing obtuseness? :banghead:
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by Feck » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:21 pm

I would love to meet R. Albert Mohler, Jr could you ask Ian to have him 'rendered ' to Scotland ...you see trying to end the world is most definitely an anti American action and probably supporting Terrorism in support of a foreign power (Israel) .
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by Ian » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:56 pm

Feck wrote:I would love to meet R. Albert Mohler, Jr could you ask Ian to have him 'rendered ' to Scotland ...you see trying to end the world is most definitely an anti American action and probably supporting Terrorism in support of a foreign power (Israel) .
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by Animavore » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:34 pm

I wouldn't mind but Dawkins wasn't even "apoplectic". He was scoffing at the idea of an idiot in power. His tone was quite reasonable. I don't think he's capable of apoplectic rage :ask:
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by klr » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:37 pm

Animavore wrote:I wouldn't mind but Dawkins wasn't even "apoplectic". He was scoffing at the idea of an idiot in power. His tone was quite reasonable. I don't think he's capable of apoplectic rage :ask:
... except when it comes to suppurating you-know-whats.

Anyway, this R. Albert Mohler moniker rings a bell. I do believe he has some form in this sort of thing.

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:40 pm

Animavore wrote:I wouldn't mind but Dawkins wasn't even "apoplectic". He was scoffing at the idea of an idiot in power. His tone was quite reasonable. I don't think he's capable of apoplectic rage :ask:
Isn't that always the way, though - they have to paint articulate disagreement or countering their viewpoints or correcting their ignorance as being something out of control and angry.
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by charlou » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:04 pm

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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by charlou » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:10 pm

Oh, incidentally ... Dawkins on the evolution of the eye ...

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:46 pm

He's evidence of evolution of being easy on the eye... :shiver:
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Re: "What is so scary about America’s evangelical Christians

Post by Jason » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:51 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:Question answered. Thread locked.
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