De-programming cults, de-programming religions.

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De-programming Religious Believers

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De-programming cults, de-programming religions.

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:49 am

Forced deprogramming of people kidnapped and brain washed by cults? Works apparently? What about translating onto religions?

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Post by Jason » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:14 pm

:( I only read the first half of the title and thought this would be a thread about the challenge of reverse engineering.. :P

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:17 pm

PordFrefect wrote::( I only read the first half of the title and thought this would be a thread about the challenge of reverse engineering.. :P
It's about the efforts to wean people off Fortran.
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Re: De-programming cults, de-programming religions.

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:48 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
PordFrefect wrote::( I only read the first half of the title and thought this would be a thread about the challenge of reverse engineering.. :P
It's about the efforts to wean people off Fortran.
Is Fortran still on the go? :smoke:
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Post by Jason » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:52 pm

:hehe: Yes, but not much like it was when 'Zilla probably knew it.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:56 pm

PordFrefect wrote::hehe: Yes, but not much like it was when 'Zilla probably knew it.
They tried to teach it to me. They failed.
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Post by Audley Strange » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:59 pm

Fuck that. I genuinely believe that a large portion of the religious population are so dangerous that if you removed the warped "moral" core of their religions we'd have way too many nihilistic sociopaths to deal with.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:03 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Fuck that. I genuinely believe that a large portion of the religious population are so dangerous that if you removed the warped "moral" core of their religions we'd have way too many nihilistic sociopaths to deal with.
Oh, good, the old "no morals without God" argument? Most people don't really believe in their god, so Heaven and Hell aren't the real restraints, it's the thought of having to share a cell with Bubba that keeps them in line.
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Re: De-programming cults, de-programming religions.

Post by Audley Strange » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:16 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Fuck that. I genuinely believe that a large portion of the religious population are so dangerous that if you removed the warped "moral" core of their religions we'd have way too many nihilistic sociopaths to deal with.
Oh, good, the old "no morals without God" argument? Most people don't really believe in their god, so Heaven and Hell aren't the real restraints, it's the thought of having to share a cell with Bubba that keeps them in line.
Yes the "no morals without God" argument, I don't think quite as simplistic an agument as you might assume.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:18 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Fuck that. I genuinely believe that a large portion of the religious population are so dangerous that if you removed the warped "moral" core of their religions we'd have way too many nihilistic sociopaths to deal with.
Oh, good, the old "no morals without God" argument? Most people don't really believe in their god, so Heaven and Hell aren't the real restraints, it's the thought of having to share a cell with Bubba that keeps them in line.
Yes the "no morals without God" argument, I don't think quite as simplistic an agument as you might assume.
It's a dodge used by the apologists routinely. Do you have a new spin on it? If so you might call Matt Dillahunty, he's been sounding bored lately.
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Post by Audley Strange » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:20 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:Fuck that. I genuinely believe that a large portion of the religious population are so dangerous that if you removed the warped "moral" core of their religions we'd have way too many nihilistic sociopaths to deal with.
Oh, good, the old "no morals without God" argument? Most people don't really believe in their god, so Heaven and Hell aren't the real restraints, it's the thought of having to share a cell with Bubba that keeps them in line.
Yes the "no morals without God" argument, I don't think quite as simplistic an agument as you might assume.
It's a dodge used by the apologists routinely. Do you have a new spin on it? If so you might call Matt Dillahunty, he's been sounding bored lately.
I'm not an apologist for religion. I have no idea if my thoughts on it are new or otherwise nor do I have no idea who Matt Dillahunty is.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:23 pm

Well, you walked into a situation that has been going on for a good while then, because the apologists routinely claim God is the only source of morals.

As for Matt: http://atheist-community.org/
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Post by FBM » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:24 pm

Just designated zealots. If they're not causing the public problems, I'd rather they have the right to be as peacefully deluded as they like, because I want to keep my right to be as peacefully deluded as I like, too. I don't like the idea of them trying to force their worldview on me, so I don't try to force my worldview on them.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:25 pm

FBM wrote:Just designated zealots. If they're not causing the public problems, I'd rather they have the right to be as peacefully deluded as they like, because I want to keep my right to be as peacefully deluded as I like, too. I don't like the idea of them trying to force their worldview on me, so I don't try to force my worldview on them.
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Post by FBM » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:26 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:Just designated zealots. If they're not causing the public problems, I'd rather they have the right to be as peacefully deluded as they like, because I want to keep my right to be as peacefully deluded as I like, too. I don't like the idea of them trying to force their worldview on me, so I don't try to force my worldview on them.
You can force that avatar gal on me if you wish.
I'm liking her "worldview", too.
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