Some religions might have redeeming aspects...

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Some religions might have redeeming aspects...

Post by FBM » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:28 am

Once a week wouldn't hack it, tho...

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Arizona church is house of prostitution, police say
(CNN) -- A church called the Phoenix Goddess Temple has been accused of being a house of prostitution, and a six-month undercover investigation has resulted in the arrests of 20 women and men who worked there, Phoenix police said Friday.

Authorities are still searching for 17 more people -- all of whom have been indicted -- in connection with the prostitution enterprise, said Sgt. Steve Martos, a Phoenix police spokesman. The 20 people arrested so far have been charged with prostitution or other offenses, police said.

During a Wednesday search of the Phoenix temple and two church-related sites in nearby Sedona, police seized evidence showing that "male and female 'practitioners' working a t the Temple were performing sexual acts in exchange for monetary 'donations,' all on the pretense of providing 'neo tantric' healing therapies," Phoenix police said.

The alleged brothel generated tens of thousands of dollars a month, Martos told CNN.

A history of neighbor complaints, a recent Phoenix newspaper article, and the temple's website were among the factors prompting authorities to conduct the undercover investigation, Martos said.

"What's unusual is that they were trying to hide behind religion or church, and under the guise of religious freedom, they were committing acts of prostitution," Martos said.

"We certainly respect First Amendment rights. However, religious freedom does not allow for criminal acts," Martos said.

Regarding the Goddess Temple's website, he said: "What they would talk about would seem to be religion. At the same time, they were implying or intimating that they were giving sex therapy."

The website says at one point: "Sex is a holy, sacred and divine healing force at the core (of) our beings. Once we embrace this force instead of deny it, we become successful, happy and powerful manifestors."

The website also features unclothed women, listed as residing in several states, under a "Goddesses" section.

The investigation focused on the alleged crimes, said acting Phoenix Police Chief Joe Yahner.

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery added in a statement: "Freedom of religion does not allow individuals to trade sex for money, no matter how the transaction is portrayed."

The alleged madam, Tracy Elise, who is in her 50s, was arrested and charged with prostitution, illegal control of an enterprise, pandering, and operating a house of prostitution, police said.

Elise was allegedly involved in a similar suspected brothel in Seattle, Washington, which authorities shut down in 2009, Phoenix police said.

Elise or her attorney could not be immediately reached for comment.

Others named in the indictment face charges including conspiracy, working in a house of prostitution, and massaging without a license. A total of 33 people have been indicted, but during Wednesday's search of the Phoenix temple, police arrested four more people not named in the indictment, Martos said.

Four of the 20 people arrested are men, and two of the four are alleged prostitutes, Martos said. The other two men are a website operator and a school director-teacher at the temple, he said.

The other people arrested are women, he added.

The church is near downtown Phoenix, and the temple also had an office and a house in Sedona, both of which investigators also searched with warrants and where police made three of the arrests, Martos said.

The temple practitioners probably used the Sedona house for rest and sleep, Martos said.
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Post by Schneibster » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:35 am

What a great racket to run in Sedona. Bet that's where they started out. More fuckin' woo in Sedona than you can shake a stick at. "Tantric healing." Riiiiiiight.
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Post by FBM » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:41 am

I just want somebody to stroke my chakra.

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Post by Animavore » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:46 am

Legalise it for fuck's sake and stop wasting public funds on non-crimes and punishing people for doing what comes natural out of some misguided religio-facist moral.
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Post by FBM » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:51 am

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Post by Schneibster » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:14 am

Animavore wrote:Legalise it for fuck's sake and stop wasting public funds on non-crimes and punishing people for doing what comes natural out of some misguided religio-facist moral.
The only problem is AIDS.
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Post by Animavore » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:17 am

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Animavore wrote:Legalise it for fuck's sake and stop wasting public funds on non-crimes and punishing people for doing what comes natural out of some misguided religio-facist moral.
The only problem is AIDS.
Condoms, regular screening... etc.
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Post by Schneibster » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:20 am

Animavore wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
Animavore wrote:Legalise it for fuck's sake and stop wasting public funds on non-crimes and punishing people for doing what comes natural out of some misguided religio-facist moral.
The only problem is AIDS.
Condoms, regular screening... etc.
One can only hope, especially where the whole thing is being run by woo merchants.

ETA: Prolly give you a fuckin' crystal and tell you to chant over it to make sure you don't get AIDS, right?
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Post by FBM » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:35 am

Schneibster wrote:ETA: Prolly give you a fuckin' crystal and tell you to chant over it to make sure you don't get AIDS, right?
:shock: What? That doesn't work? :worried:
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Post by lordpasternack » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:29 am

As George Carlin observed: "Selling's legal, fucking's legal - why isn't selling fucking legal?!"

Actually, in the UK, prostitution itself is legal, but soliciting in public and managing a brothel (amongst some other peripheral activities) are still illegal. In the UK you're basically allowed to get on with it so long as you don't startle the horses (pardon the expression :hehe:) - but people do still occasionally get arrested for complete non-crimes that harm nothing and no-one.

It's high time society woke up to the fact that selling sex is itself a complete non-scandal. There is of course scandal within the sex industry - there is likely scandal in practically every industry if you peel back the veneer a little (how much of your clothes/food was processed using child labour, factory farming, inhumane welfare standards or grossly unfair trade?) - but the actual simple act of paying or being paid for sex acts is just fucking NOTHING.
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Post by JimC » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:53 am

Only the ones with a redeemer, though...
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Post by FBM » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:40 am

lordpasternack wrote:As George Carlin observed: "Selling's legal, fucking's legal - why isn't selling fucking legal?!"

Actually, in the UK, prostitution itself is legal, but soliciting in public and managing a brothel (amongst some other peripheral activities) are still illegal. In the UK you're basically allowed to get on with it so long as you don't startle the horses (pardon the expression :hehe:) - but people do still occasionally get arrested for complete non-crimes that harm nothing and no-one.

It's high time society woke up to the fact that selling sex is itself a complete non-scandal. There is of course scandal within the sex industry - there is likely scandal in practically every industry if you peel back the veneer a little (how much of your clothes/food was processed using child labour, factory farming, inhumane welfare standards or grossly unfair trade?) - but the actual simple act of paying or being paid for sex acts is just fucking NOTHING.
:clap: (I had to type "clap" to ge that smiley. :hehe:) I wholeheartedly agree, LP. To paraphrase Carlin again, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away? :roll:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:31 am

I once had a conversation with a senior officer in the USN that included the statement "Son, if you didn't have previous charges for drunk-and-disorder and soliciting a prostitute I'd be worried about you."
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