Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

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Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:44 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14506129

A Point of View: The advantages of pessimism

Today I want to advance the unusual idea that we'd be a great deal more cheerful if we learnt to be a little more pessimistic.

And, from a completely secular point of view, I'd like to suggest that in the passages before they go on to promise us salvation, religions are rather good at being pessimistic. For example, Christianity has spent much of its history emphasising the darker side of earthly existence.

Yet even within this sombre tradition, the French philosopher Blaise Pascal stands out for the exceptionally merciless nature of his pessimism. In his book the Pensees, Pascal misses no opportunities to confront his readers with evidence of mankind's resolutely deviant, pitiful and unworthy nature.


Scientific advances make us optimistic In seductive classical French, he informs us that happiness is an illusion. "Anyone who does not see the vanity of the world is very vain himself," he says. Misery is the norm, he states: "If our condition were truly happy we should not need to divert ourselves from thinking about it." And we have to face the desperate facts of our situation head on. "Man's greatness," he writes, "comes from knowing he is wretched."

Given the tone, it comes as something of a surprise to discover that reading Pascal is not at all the depressing experience one might have presumed. The work is consoling, heartwarming and even, at times, hilarious.

For those teetering on the verge of despair, there can paradoxically be no finer book to turn to than one which seeks to grind man's every last hope into the dust. The Pensees - far more than any saccharine volume touting inner beauty, positive thinking or the realisation of hidden potential - has the power to coax the suicidal off the ledge of a high parapet.

If Pascal's pessimism can effectively console us, it may be because we are usually cast into gloom not so much by negativity as by hope. It is hope - with regard to our careers, our love lives, our children, our politicians and our planet - that is primarily to blame for angering and embittering us.

(continued, it gets worse :nono: )
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Re: Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

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Rum wrote::snooze:
Asleep again. :smoke:
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Post by FBM » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

:what: :nono:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

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:what: :nono:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:05 am

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Rum wrote::snooze:
It's a sunday. Take it easy. Keep the sabbath. It's breaking the sabbath what caused the riots. :smoke:
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Re: Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

Post by charlou » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:20 am

Crumple wrote:

Somethimes this just works ... no explanation required.
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Re: Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:25 pm

There is no neutral ground on a train moving towards a broken bridge. I pity the poor sigularitiest more than the deluded religious freak. When civilization finally crashes the singularitiest will see it for what it is, albeit not what they expected or hoped for. :smoke:

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Re: Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

Post by Ronja » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:05 pm

. :broken:

When you keep repeating the same, same, same and yet again the same "arguments" for imminent end of the world as we know it :panic: it all does get rather :yawn: and :snooze: inducing rather fast.
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Ronja wrote:. :broken:

When you keep repeating the same, same, same and yet again the same "arguments" for imminent end of the world as we know it :panic: it all does get rather :yawn: and :snooze: inducing rather fast.
He is the most miserable and misery making fucker I think I have come across.

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Re: Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:17 pm

Rum wrote:
Ronja wrote:. :broken:

When you keep repeating the same, same, same and yet again the same "arguments" for imminent end of the world as we know it :panic: it all does get rather :yawn: and :snooze: inducing rather fast.
He is the most miserable and misery making fucker I think I have come across.
I'm the one out of balance? :smoke:

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Re: Optimistic Deluded Secularists?

Post by Rum » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:22 pm

Crumple wrote:
Rum wrote:
Ronja wrote:. :broken:

When you keep repeating the same, same, same and yet again the same "arguments" for imminent end of the world as we know it :panic: it all does get rather :yawn: and :snooze: inducing rather fast.
He is the most miserable and misery making fucker I think I have come across.
I'm the one out of balance? :smoke:

Who's talking about balance? Just commenting on the fact that you are a miserable fucker who seems to take delight in trying to drag everyone down to your level of misery. Its all you contribute to this forum. Sad man that you are.

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