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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:49 pm

Simple test. How many predictions did she make. How many were accurate. Is that number any different from random chance by a significant amount?
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Post by TheGreatGatsby » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:52 pm

I rest my case. I was hoping for a rational refutation to the Vanga woman, which is what I got. Thank you all very much.
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by TheGreatGatsby » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:53 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Simple test. How many predictions did she make. How many were accurate. Is that number any different from random chance by a significant amount?
While many allege that she 'did not like to talk about the future' she probably made tons of predictions, which is what she is known for.

A simple search will reveal the Kursk prediction to be the only supposed fulfilled prophecy to cite an actual quote from her.
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by BrettA » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:58 pm

TheGreatGatsby wrote:A simple search will reveal the Kursk prediction to be the only supposed fulfilled prophecy to cite an actual quote from her.
And as implied earlier, the emphasis should absolutely be on "supposed", given the conflict of city and submarine and if the submarine, being underwater can hardly be viewed with any type of validity as 'prophecy'.
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:00 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote:Simple test. How many predictions did she make. How many were accurate. Is that number any different from random chance by a significant amount?
While many allege that she 'did not like to talk about the future' she probably made tons of predictions, which is what she is known for.

A simple search will reveal the Kursk prediction to be the only supposed fulfilled prophecy to cite an actual quote from her.
It's hard to quantify the success of such predictions. Were she predicting coin-tosses, one would expect her to be accurate about 50% of the time and for her score to get closer to 50% the more predictions she made. However, with predictions of events, there is no way to determine the odds of coincidence occurring and test for correlation. Add the vagueness about exact dates and events and testing such prophecy scientifically is fruitless - which means that we fall back upon our own gut instincts - which is where the wishful thinking of would-be believers comes in.
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:01 pm

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TheGreatGatsby wrote:A simple search will reveal the Kursk prediction to be the only supposed fulfilled prophecy to cite an actual quote from her.
And as implied earlier, the emphasis should absolutely be on "supposed", given the conflict of city and submarine and if the submarine, being underwater can hardly be viewed with any type of validity as 'prophecy'.
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Pappa » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:17 pm

TheGreatGatsby wrote:I rest my case. I was hoping for a rational refutation to the Vanga woman, which is what I got. Thank you all very much.
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Post by Eriku » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:30 pm

lol... the Goldilocks argument is stronger than those coincidences.

Btw, submarines often tend to be submerged in marine elements.

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Post by Santa_Claus » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:19 am

The really weird thing would be if none of her predictions couldn't be fitted around at least some later events.
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Eriku » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:47 am

Santa_Claus wrote:The really weird thing would be if none of her predictions couldn't be fitted around at least some later events.
Surely that's HIIIGHLY unlikely?

Proof of something being up with her, surely. A WITCH, A WITCH!

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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by FBM » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:54 am

Do we have evidence, other than anecdotal, that this person ever said those things at the time she's reported to have? A lot of shit can be made ad hoc and retrofitted.
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:07 am

FBM wrote:Do we have evidence, other than anecdotal, that this person ever said those things at the time she's reported to have? A lot of shit can be made ad hoc and retrofitted.
So you think she's Jesus?
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

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Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:Do we have evidence, other than anecdotal, that this person ever said those things at the time she's reported to have? A lot of shit can be made ad hoc and retrofitted.
So you think she's Jesus?
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Rob » Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:22 am

Wait a few days, if there is no nuclear war you will have your answer. :dunno:
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Re: Biggest challenge to my denial of the supernatural yet

Post by Eriku » Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:28 am

Tbh if she's right about the nuclear holocaust it would mean that it wouldn't require a lifetime of irrational blind acceptance of old prophecies to committ to the stance...

I give you Eirik's Wager... Believe for a few days, be all prescient and shit... if it doesn't come to pass, change your name and move and resume being a stand-up skeptic.

WIN!

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