Transubstantiation, vegetarianism, cannibalism and zombies.

[Pappa]

I've been wondering about this. If transubstantiation is a fact and not merely symbolic, does that mean the Church sanctions ritual cannibalism?

Also, are Christian vegetarians hypocritical for eating Jesus' flesh, or do they make exceptions for human flesh (thus cannibalism) or do they make exceptions for the flesh of deities in human form (thus deiphagy)?

[Thinking Aloud]

I've been wondering about this. If transubstantiation is a fact and not merely symbolic, does that mean the Church sanctions ritual cannibalism?

You'd think so, wouldn't you? And yes it is actually his flesh, even though it feels like and tastes of wafer. I've even seen a description of how, at the moment of trans-substantiation, every part of the wafer is replaced by parts containing the essence (thus actual matter, in wafer form) of Christ's body.

Though they might argue these days that while you actually eat his flesh, you're only doing it symbolically.

[Pappa]

Though they might argue these days that while you actually eat his flesh, you're only doing it symbolically.

Yep, I'm pretty sure they would.

[Ronja]

Damn good questions, Pappa. Too bad none of them can be answered based on realism or logic...

[Bella Fortuna]

Though they might argue these days that while you actually eat his flesh, you're only doing it symbolically.

Yep, I'm pretty sure they would.

Reminds me of a certain song...

[FBM]

I've been wondering about this. If transubstantiation is a fact and not merely symbolic, does that mean the Church sanctions ritual cannibalism?

Also, are Christian vegetarians hypocritical for eating Jesus' flesh, or do they make exceptions for human flesh (thus cannibalism) or do they make exceptions for the flesh of deities in human form (thus deiphagy)?

Yes, yup, and yeah.

[rachelbean]

I'm not sure that eating of flesh is against vegetarianism if there is consent, so eating Jesus is probably not a big deal in that sense, but yes cannibalism and I'm sure there is some bylaw somewhere specifying it's only okay to eat Jesus™ brand people

[Pappa]

I'm not sure that eating of flesh is against vegetarianism if there is consent, so eating Jesus is probably not a big deal in that sense, but yes cannibalism and I'm sure there is some bylaw somewhere specifying it's only okay to eat Jesus™ brand people

But did Jesus explicitly give his consent?

[Thinking Aloud]

I'm not sure that eating of flesh is against vegetarianism if there is consent, so eating Jesus is probably not a big deal in that sense, but yes cannibalism and I'm sure there is some bylaw somewhere specifying it's only okay to eat Jesus™ brand people

But did Jesus explicitly give his consent?

He said, "Take this, all of you, and eat it. This is my body, which has been given up for you. Do this in memory of me."

[rachelbean]

I'm not sure that eating of flesh is against vegetarianism if there is consent, so eating Jesus is probably not a big deal in that sense, but yes cannibalism and I'm sure there is some bylaw somewhere specifying it's only okay to eat Jesus™ brand people

But did Jesus explicitly give his consent?

I think this counts

So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live for ever.”

[Pappa]

I'm not sure that eating of flesh is against vegetarianism if there is consent, so eating Jesus is probably not a big deal in that sense, but yes cannibalism and I'm sure there is some bylaw somewhere specifying it's only okay to eat Jesus™ brand people

But did Jesus explicitly give his consent?

He said, "Take this, all of you, and eat it. This is my body, which has been given up for you. Do this in memory of me."

Oh... bugger.

Can I do the same? If I give my friends crisps and tell them the crisps turn into my flesh in their mouth (by magic). I could use salt and vinegar flavour Discos.

[Pappa]

I think this counts

So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live for ever.”

It's more like vampirism really.

[rachelbean]

And don't think as a Christian goth I didn't appreciate that

[Bella Fortuna]

And anyone saying that today would be hospitalised and put on behavioural meds....

[beige]

And anyone saying that today would be hospitalised and put on behavioural meds....

Or on TV.