Halal-only Menus

[Deep Sea Isopod]

What do you guys say to this?

RESIDENTS across Harrow have vented their anger about proposals to have Halal-only menus in primary schools in the borough. Meat is meat. What does it matter how it’s killed? These stupid parents should find other things to whine about. Halal meat is more hygienically processed anyway.The newspaper revealed exclusively how Harrow Council has employed a catering company to only prepare Halal meat – to serve youngsters in Harrow. This is nothing new to my knowledge, Tower Hamlets council been doing Halal meat in schools for at least 3 years or more.

The Halal slaughter method (along with Shechita which is the name for pretty much the same method used by Jews) is not cruel at all. When the animal's throat is slit, it results in a massive drop in blood pressure causing pretty much instantaneous unconsciousness. As long as the cut is performed correctly the animal will feel a mere instant of pain compared to the intense suffering they can go through in abattoir's with the "normal" slaughter method. The link that has been made between this story and Britain becoming an Islamic State is a bit extreme. The majority of British people are atheist. But it doesn't mean we can't try and make life easier and better for people of all faiths and cultures. All children should be offered a choice. That way Muslims can eat what they want and non-Muslims can eat what they want.

The Muslim community has been passing through a phase of fourth Crusades. The battleground is the field of education, where the young generation will be educated properly with the Holly Quran in one hand and Sciences in other hand to serve humanity. A true Muslim is a citizen of the world, which has become a small global village. We are going to prepare our youth to achieve that objective in the long run. A true Muslim believes in Prophet Moses and the Prophet Jesus and without them one cannot be a Muslim. My suggestion is that in all state, independent and Christian based school special attention should be given to the teaching of Comparative Religion and Islam should be taught by qualified Muslim Teachers to make the children aware the closeness of Islam to Christianity and Judaism which will help them to think about Islam, as “A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life,” during their life time. Those state schools where Muslim children are in majority may be opted out as Muslim Academies.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The problem is that they learn English in the streets and in the playgrounds. British schooling does not teach English to migrant children. The teachers let them speak the same accent in the classroom. They have no courage to stop them or correct them. This is one of the main reasons why one third of children have difficulties with reading when they leave primary schools. Majority of such children are bilingual Muslims. They often speak "street" with its own grammar, vocabulary and pronunciation. In other European countries and in the sub-continent argot and slang are not allowed into the classrooms. In Britain primary school teachers do not feel that it's role to interfere with self-expression in any shape or form. They encourage children to read poems and stories written in ethnic dialects.

There are couples of state schools in Harrow where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies so that non-Muslim children could enjoy their own meals in their own schools.
Iftikhar Ahmad

The normal method of slaughter stuns the animal first, by using a stun-gun or electric bolt or inert gas. How long does it really take a cow to die through the Halal/Kosher method?

[Svartalf]

and I don't believe that thing about hallal being more hygienic anymore than I believe the drek about pork taboo being about hygienic reasons either.

[Pappa]

Most halal meat is pre-stunned. 95% of New Zealand lamb is halal and something like half of all UK lamb is halal. If you eat lamb from an Indian take away you've eaten halal. A significant percentage of supermarket meat is halal too.

[Deep Sea Isopod]

Most halal meat is pre-stunned. 95% of New Zealand lamb is halal and something like half of all UK lamb is halal. If you eat lamb from an Indian take away you've eaten halal. A significant percentage of supermarket meat is halal too.

I thought the animal has to be fully conscious when it's killed?

[Trolldor]

Halal is fucking nonsensical rubbish, not to mention that someone somewhere is wasting their time praying over a dead corpse in the direction of motherfucking Mecca.

Locally, the guys supposed to do Halal say "fuck it" and do it the faster way.

I thought the animal has to be fully conscious when it's killed?

It does.


Besides, precisely because Halal is a religious observance it shouldn't be anywhere near a fucking school.

[Svartalf]

Well, the direction of mecca is pretty unimportant when you're preying on a corpse

[Pappa]

Most halal meat is pre-stunned. 95% of New Zealand lamb is halal and something like half of all UK lamb is halal. If you eat lamb from an Indian take away you've eaten halal. A significant percentage of supermarket meat is halal too.

I thought the animal has to be fully conscious when it's killed?

it doesn't. But some Muslims think it does. They buy unstunned halal. The stuff in schools and supermarkets will be stunned halal.

[Rum]

Fucking superstitious nonsense ffs.

[JOZeldenrust]

I think schools should offer halal meals, but I see no point in offering halal meals exclusively. Whether the meat is halal or not, basic measures to avoid unnecessary suffering on the part of the animals should be taken.

[Sælir]

Maybe I have just been lucky but I have to say that all the halal meat I have tasted really did taste better. Maybe it´s just because it´s been bought from a butcher but not in the supermarket

[Pappa]

I think schools should offer halal meals, but I see no point in offering halal meals exclusively. Whether the meat is halal or not, basic measures to avoid unnecessary suffering on the part of the animals should be taken.

The reason they offer it exclusively is just down to economics. They can buy (stunned) halal meat for the same price as non-halal if they buy it all together. It's the same reason why 95% of lamb produced in New Zealand is halal, they can just sell it all over the world and label it as halal where that is of benefit to them (or not bother elsewhere).

If you live in the UK you will almost certainly have eaten (unlabeled) halal meat from the supermarket and take away (assuming you eat meat ).

[Trolldor]

Or, you will have eaten meat that is labelled as halal but really isn't, by definition of Halal, if the locals are anything to go buy. My friend works at the butchers and they absolutely hate the entire process, so nobody does it. They get as far as stunning and killing it, and then it's on to the next one.

[Pappa]

Or, you will have eaten meat that is labelled as halal but really isn't, by definition of Halal, if the locals are anything to go buy.

The definition of halal varies depending on the interpretation of the Qur'an. Neither definition is more correct that the other.

[Trolldor]

I really don't see the point of Halal meat. The process takes longer, is riskier, and over all should be left to minority manufacturers to pander to the religious groups.

[wheels5894]

I've heard there is a lot of halal meat sold in supermarkets so I emailed Tesco the other day to ask if any of the ordinary meat I buy there was halal. I haven't had a response yet but will post when I do.

meanwhile, I hope the schools serving halal meat only enjoy their pork roasts!