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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:18 am

I was just thinking about Rastafarianism - not the noodle thing - this starts with an 'R'.

When I was going through my 'shedding the religion skin' phase, one of the key moments of enlightenment was when I really looked closely at the rastas. Once it dawned on me how deeply people believed something that was only a few decades old and for which there was so much counter-evidence, it was a small step to comparing that to the dogmatic conviction associated with all of the other religious beliefs in the world and dumping all religion.

I mean, it really is the most bonkers religion out there!!!!

It is a religion based upon a (then) living man who actually denied being a god! He refused to comment on his 'divinity' during his visit to Jamaica - presumedly as much out of fear of being mobbed as anything - but he did say, in an interview: -
Haile Selassie I wrote:I have heard of that idea [i.e., of Haile Selassie being the reincarnation of Jesus Christ]. I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them clearly that I am a man, that I am mortal, and that I would be replaced by the oncoming generation, and that they should never make a mistake in assuming or pretending that the human being is emanated from a deity.
He then died but his death was denied as a publicity stunt by his followers. They believe he still lives and is preparing Ethiopia for their return!!!!
The holy book of this religion is the bible - but the pick'n'mixing that goes on in the case of rastafarianism has to be seen to be believed!

And yet. I doubt that there is any religion that gets such an easy ride from atheists. I expect that this is due to inverse racism, at least in part - what white man would want to diss a black religion in this day and age? It is also linked inextricably with the whole afrocentric thing - another sacred cow.

Let's make no bones about it. Rastafarianism is just as ludicrous as any other religion. The doctrine spouted by Bob Marley and Marcus Garvey is based on unsupported claims and is also deeply racist - had it been a white supremacist religion, it would have been suppressed years ago.

BUT. I love reggae - especially old-school, Jamaican reggae. Bob Marley, Black Uhuru, Steel Pulse, Culture, Peter Tosh, Sly & Robbie, Burning Spear. I can't get enough. I wouldn't sit through 10 minutes of CofE hymns but I can listen to Bob sing of Zion, I & I and Jah for hours. It's the bass - it does things to my innards. :biggrin:

I suppose that the black world was crying out for a uniquely black cultural and religious identity and Garvey's ideas filled that gap - I only regret that they hadn't ditched the whole religion crap instead - I suppose that was too much to hope. :dono:
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Post by AshtonBlack » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:24 am

The get an easy ride from me, because they love de 'erb.
And mostly they're not violent nor have been reported to abuse kids.

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:32 am

AshtonBlack wrote:The get an easy ride from me, because they love de 'erb.
And mostly they're not violent nor have been reported to abuse kids.
Dunno about the kids thing but have you ever been to a reggae gig where two rasta gangs think they have sole rights to selling the weed? Me neither - luckily - but I have heard the shots and seen the headlines the next day!

Classing any group as either violent or non-violent is stereotyping and, what's more, in the latter case, a bad survival skill. :tea:
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Post by AshtonBlack » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:40 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
AshtonBlack wrote:The get an easy ride from me, because they love de 'erb.
And mostly they're not violent nor have been reported to abuse kids.
Dunno about the kids thing but have you ever been to a reggae gig where two rasta gangs think they have sole rights to selling the weed? Me neither - luckily - but I have heard the shots and seen the headlines the next day!

Classing any group as either violent or non-violent is stereotyping and, what's more, in the latter case, a bad survival skill. :tea:
Luckily I said "mostly" so thats ok then. Humans are mostly stupid. :dono: They (The Rasterfarians.) don't seem to want to take over the world is really what I meant. They don't call for jihads, that'll do for me.

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Post by Pappa » Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:37 pm

It is fucking nuts XC, but no more nuts that all the other religions. The innate afrocentricism and historical revisionism is worse (IMO) as it encourages people to believe utter ahistorical bollocks as well as utter religious bollocks. I saw a documentary years ago about some (now) well known black journalist tracing the 'history' in relation to Zion. It was more than a bit crazy - the garbage he thought was real was incredible. I forget the guy's name now, but he's fairly well known.
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:26 am

Pappa wrote:It is fucking nuts XC, but no more nuts that all the other religions. The innate afrocentricism and historical revisionism is worse (IMO) as it encourages people to believe utter ahistorical bollocks as well as utter religious bollocks. I saw a documentary years ago about some (now) well known black journalist tracing the 'history' in relation to Zion. It was more than a bit crazy - the garbage he thought was real was incredible. I forget the guy's name now, but he's fairly well known.
That's what i meant when i said it was the most bonkers. You can (sort of) forgive the xtians and the muslins for getting their historical facts wrong - it was long enough ago that no-one can really be sure what went on (although talking snakes is mental even so!) - but the rastas were revising the history of the last century while it was still happening FFS! :hehe:
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Post by statichaos » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:36 am

They ended up developing a horrible reputation on the punk scene in the late 70s-early 80s due to violence and nasty misogyny.

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Post by PairOfFeet » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:08 am

Well at least they have reggae, one of the greatest music genres ever. What do other religions have? Well.. Um... nothing really worth listening to.. at least that I can think of at the moment. I have some Tosh going right now. Stepping Razor to be exact.
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Post by owtth » Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:12 am

PairOfFeet wrote:Well at least they have reggae, one of the greatest music genres ever. What do other religions have? Well.. Um... nothing really worth listening to.. at least that I can think of at the moment. I have some Tosh going right now. Stepping Razor to be exact.
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Post by Chinaski » Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:49 am

Reggae is shit, and most people I know who got into Rastafarianism did so because of the weed, man!
It has no sympathy from me. And the "musicians" are a bunch of lazy, untalented, junkies. At least Pete Doherty can write good tunes when he's high out of his mind on the hardcore drugs, not that lame "relax and forget about important shit" stuff.

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Post by Pappa » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:35 am

Chinaski wrote:Reggae is shit, and most people I know who got into Rastafarianism did so because of the weed, man!
It has no sympathy from me. And the "musicians" are a bunch of lazy, untalented, junkies. At least Pete Doherty can write good tunes when he's high out of his mind on the hardcore drugs, not that lame "relax and forget about important shit" stuff.

Bah.
Wow... you really don't like reggae. :hehe:

I think you're being a little harsh. Fair enough you don't like reggae, but suggesting their musicians are "a bunch of lazy, untalented, junkies" seems more than a bit prejudiced.
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Post by Pappa » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:36 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Pappa wrote:It is fucking nuts XC, but no more nuts that all the other religions. The innate afrocentricism and historical revisionism is worse (IMO) as it encourages people to believe utter ahistorical bollocks as well as utter religious bollocks. I saw a documentary years ago about some (now) well known black journalist tracing the 'history' in relation to Zion. It was more than a bit crazy - the garbage he thought was real was incredible. I forget the guy's name now, but he's fairly well known.
That's what i meant when i said it was the most bonkers. You can (sort of) forgive the xtians and the muslins for getting their historical facts wrong - it was long enough ago that no-one can really be sure what went on (although talking snakes is mental even so!) - but the rastas were revising the history of the last century while it was still happening FFS! :hehe:
Ah... I see what you mean. No different to any other modern cult then. You'd think scientologists would realise their founder was a sci-fi writer who also once wrote an article about how to become a millionaire by starting your own religion.... I mean, how many clues do you need. :hehe:
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Post by Trolldor » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:52 am

Pappa wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Pappa wrote:It is fucking nuts XC, but no more nuts that all the other religions. The innate afrocentricism and historical revisionism is worse (IMO) as it encourages people to believe utter ahistorical bollocks as well as utter religious bollocks. I saw a documentary years ago about some (now) well known black journalist tracing the 'history' in relation to Zion. It was more than a bit crazy - the garbage he thought was real was incredible. I forget the guy's name now, but he's fairly well known.
That's what i meant when i said it was the most bonkers. You can (sort of) forgive the xtians and the muslins for getting their historical facts wrong - it was long enough ago that no-one can really be sure what went on (although talking snakes is mental even so!) - but the rastas were revising the history of the last century while it was still happening FFS! :hehe:
Ah... I see what you mean. No different to any other modern cult then. You'd think scientologists would realise their founder was a sci-fi writer who also once wrote an article about how to become a millionaire by starting your own religion.... I mean, how many clues do you need. :hehe:
They don't know that, they're taught a fraudulent history about his "military career" and other such bullshit. The only reason I know anything about L. Ron Hubbard was accidentally discovering scientology a couple of years ago in High School.

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Post by The Red Fox » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:07 am

Chinaski wrote:Reggae is shit

Reggae is an entire genre with more bands in it that you or I know about. Blanket statements like "x genre of music is shit" is a daft thing to say unless you've heard literally every recording in said genre.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, if you don't like it you just don't, but blanket statements like that aren't good for your argument.
It has no sympathy from me.
It doesn't need sympathy.
And the "musicians" are a bunch of lazy, untalented, junkies.
Blanket statement which isn't true for the most part. It's no less simple as blues music which is regarded as one of the greatest genres of music, so attacking it on its simplicity doesn't gel with me.
At least Pete Doherty can write good tunes when he's high out of his mind on the hardcore drugs, not that lame "relax and forget about important shit" stuff.
. . . And then you mention Pete Doherty. Come on, seriously? :lol: There are so many more talented musicians you could have picked. Lou Reed, perhaps? Or if you're talking weed, most musicians of the last half of the 20th century.


You don't like reggae, fine I know it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but attacking it using blanket statements is daft.
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Post by Pappa » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:14 am

born-again-atheist wrote:
Pappa wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Pappa wrote:It is fucking nuts XC, but no more nuts that all the other religions. The innate afrocentricism and historical revisionism is worse (IMO) as it encourages people to believe utter ahistorical bollocks as well as utter religious bollocks. I saw a documentary years ago about some (now) well known black journalist tracing the 'history' in relation to Zion. It was more than a bit crazy - the garbage he thought was real was incredible. I forget the guy's name now, but he's fairly well known.
That's what i meant when i said it was the most bonkers. You can (sort of) forgive the xtians and the muslins for getting their historical facts wrong - it was long enough ago that no-one can really be sure what went on (although talking snakes is mental even so!) - but the rastas were revising the history of the last century while it was still happening FFS! :hehe:
Ah... I see what you mean. No different to any other modern cult then. You'd think scientologists would realise their founder was a sci-fi writer who also once wrote an article about how to become a millionaire by starting your own religion.... I mean, how many clues do you need. :hehe:
They don't know that, they're taught a fraudulent history about his "military career" and other such bullshit. The only reason I know anything about L. Ron Hubbard was accidentally discovering scientology a couple of years ago in High School.

I laughed at it at first, but it is not something to be laughed at. If Scientology had the power and numbers that Islam now holds, the world would be in a far more threatened position.
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