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Post by Rum » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:02 pm

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From the BBC at:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8601084.stm

Pope's preacher compares abuse row to anti-Semitism

Pope Benedict's personal preacher has compared criticism of the pontiff and Church over child abuse to "collective violence" suffered by the Jews. The Rev Raniero Cantalamessa was speaking at Good Friday prayers in St Peter's Basilica, attended by the Pope.

In his sermon, he quoted a Jewish friend as saying the accusations reminded him of the "more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism".

His comments angered Jewish groups and those representing abuse victims. Father Cantalamessa said Jews throughout history had been the victims of "collective violence" and drew a comparison with recent attacks on the Roman Catholic Church.

He read the congregation part of a letter from a Jewish friend who said he was "following with disgust the violent and concentric attacks against the Church, the Pope..."The use of stereotypes, the shifting of personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt remind me of the most shameful aspects of anti-Semitism," he quoted from the letter.

Father Cantalamessa, the preacher to the papal household, is the only person allowed to preach to the Pope.

The BBC's David Willey, in Rome, says the comments show the Church is continuing to defend itself rigorously and outspokenly against accusations of having systematically covered up cases of sexual abuse by priests in recent decades. Vatican spokesman the Rev Federico Lombardi later contacted the Associated Press news agency to say Father Cantalamessa was not speaking as a Vatican official.

He said such a comparison could "lead to misunderstandings and is not an official position of the Catholic Church".

But Stephan Kramer, general-secretary of Germany's Central Council of Jews, described the remarks as offensive and repulsive.

"So far I haven't seen St Peter's burning, nor were there outbursts of violence against Catholic priests," he said.

"I'm without words. The Vatican is now trying to turn the perpetrators into victims."

Peter Isely, spokesman for the US victim support group Snap, said the sermon had been "reckless and irresponsible".

He said: "They're sitting in the papal palace, they're experiencing a little discomfort, and they're going to compare themselves to being rounded up or lined up and sent in cattle cars to Auschwitz?

Rabbi Gary Greenebaum, of the American Jewish Committee, called Father Cantalamessa's comments "an unfortunate use of language".

"The collective violence against the Jews resulted in the death of six million, while the collective violence spoken of here has not led to murder and destruction, but perhaps character assault," he said.

The Roman Catholic Church has been embroiled in fresh allegations of child sex abuse by priests, most recently in Germany.

The Pope has been accused of failing to take action against a suspected abuser during his tenure as archbishop of Munich - a claim the Vatican strongly denies.

Critics also say that when he was head of the Vatican office dealing with sex abuse, he did not act against a US priest who is thought to have abused some 200 deaf boys.

Following the service at St Peter's Basilica, the Pope went to Rome's Colosseum for the Way of the Cross procession commemorating Christ's crucifixion. While there he was expected to deliver a short homily.

On Saturday, he is to lead an Easter vigil service in St Peter's and on Sunday he is due to deliver his traditional Urbi et Orbi - to the city and the world - message and blessing.

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Post by maiforpeace » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:07 pm

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I didn't think I could be more disgusted with each and every story I hear over this horrific scandal, but I have to hand it to the church, they have not failed to disappoint in this regard.
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Post by virphen » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:08 pm

A total disconnection from reality.

I guess you should expect it really, given their stock in trade.

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Post by Feck » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:08 pm

So which law is the one where you mention the Nazi's or the holocaust cos you are loosing an argument ... be a laugh if the lying bastard did a Shakers law wouldn't it .......

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Post by JimC » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:08 pm

#1 They're getting desperate

#2 The more they say, the more they are digging a pit for themselves, coming across as whining, petulent paranoids, mired in denial...
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Post by beige » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:14 pm

Sad how willing people are to suck up this kind of defensive idiocy though - I have no idea how the "Oh no, all those nasty people know the horrific truth, and now they're not shutting up about it. We're so persecuted." defence works... but it seems to :(

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Post by Rum » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:17 pm

beige wrote:Sad how willing people are to suck up this kind of defensive idiocy though - I have no idea how the "Oh no, all those nasty people know the horrific truth, and now they're not shutting up about it. We're so persecuted." defence works... but it seems to :(

Still got a long way to go before that ship goes down.
..but it will in due course I fancy. Smoke and mirrors.

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Post by tattuchu » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:51 pm

I am outraged :pissed: I am outraged because I was a Catholic altar boy and I was never molested. What's the deal? I wasn't cute enough or something? :lay:
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tattuchu wrote:I am outraged :pissed: I am outraged because I was a Catholic altar boy and I was never molested. What's the deal? I wasn't cute enough or something? :lay:
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Post by tattuchu » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:55 pm

Feck wrote:
tattuchu wrote:I am outraged :pissed: I am outraged because I was a Catholic altar boy and I was never molested. What's the deal? I wasn't cute enough or something? :lay:
:console:
Will you molest me, Feck? It'd make me feel so much better, and perhaps give me some closure :cry:
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tattuchu wrote:
Feck wrote:
tattuchu wrote:I am outraged :pissed: I am outraged because I was a Catholic altar boy and I was never molested. What's the deal? I wasn't cute enough or something? :lay:
:console:
Will you molest me, Feck? It'd make me feel so much better, and perhaps give me some closure :cry:

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Post by tattuchu » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:59 pm

Feck wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
Feck wrote:
tattuchu wrote:I am outraged :pissed: I am outraged because I was a Catholic altar boy and I was never molested. What's the deal? I wasn't cute enough or something? :lay:
:console:
Will you molest me, Feck? It'd make me feel so much better, and perhaps give me some closure :cry:

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I'll take that as yes. You're a good friend, Feck :hugs:
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Post by Feck » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:00 pm

tattuchu wrote:
Feck wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
Feck wrote:
tattuchu wrote:I am outraged :pissed: I am outraged because I was a Catholic altar boy and I was never molested. What's the deal? I wasn't cute enough or something? :lay:
:console:
Will you molest me, Feck? It'd make me feel so much better, and perhaps give me some closure :cry:

:funny:
I'll take that as yes. You're a good friend, Feck :hugs:

OK Tat but don't tell anyone :whisper:
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Post by Skylarking » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:50 am

Feck wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
I'll take that as yes. You're a good friend, Feck :hugs:

OK Tat but don't tell anyone :whisper:

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Post by Rum » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:22 am

Dunno about in Merica, but here this is all over the news media this morning. A spectacular own goal!

And here's a killer - The Archbishop of the Church of England Woo, has said the Catholic Church in Ireland has 'lost all credibility''.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black..and kicking an opponent when they are down too!

Edit:- I love it.

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