Exi5tentialist wrote:Seth wrote:Moreover, Islam, as handed down by Mohammed, is an inherently violent and imperialistic religion/social model. Muslims who purport to eschew the violent and imperialistic aspects of Islam are actually apostates whom Mohammed would happily kill. He was extremely clear about his intentions for the infidels and the rest of the world, and it only included "peaceable" relations if the infidels submitted totally to the Islamic Caliphate under Dhimmitude.
So, anybody who claims that Islam is a "peaceful" religion that just "wants to get along" with everyone else is a bald-faced liar. And it's important to note that Mohammed addressed this issue and tells the faithful that it's perfectly okay to lie to infidels at every turn.
Where's the evidence that Mohammed
a) existed
The historical record
b) said all the things you say he said
The Qu'ran
c) meant them literally rather than metaphorically
The historical record of Mohammed's own actions.
I take it you're referring to a 1300-year-old scripture? To read such an old book through 21st century eyes seems to me to be intrinsically risky - there is no guarantee that any of the conclusions you have drawn are remotely as intended.
I say we take the Imams at their word, since they are the experts.
Personally I assess "Islam" according to the practices of muslims now.
Me too, particularly the ones who kill infidels at the command of Mohammed and God and the ones who describe the US as "The Great Satan" and call for its destruction and the death of every infidel man, woman and child in the US.
From what I gather, most of them round here don't even go to the mosque very much.
Then perhaps you needn't worry about them, or perhaps they are just quietly working in the background to look like they aren't following the dictates of the Qu'ran in order to lull you into somnolecense until the Caliphate is established in your community.
The ones that do are hardly the sort of people who are going to go around happily killing anyone, including those defined as 'apostates'.
And you know that how, exactly?
I cannot help thinking you've chosen your sources poorly for assessing whether islam is a peaceful religion.
Oh, I think not.
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