Scientific Proof Of God

[superuniverse]

https://web.archive.org/web/20110406164 ... f_gray.php

(Shades of Grey)

Well said, LIAR! The only problem is that you do not recognize eternal absolutes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20111016173 ... the-koran/

(Do We Have the Right to Burn the Koran?)

DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BURN ANYONE?

[rainbow]

DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BURN ANYONE?

Absolutely not!

Medium rare, perhaps.

[Sean Hayden]

[superuniverse]

https://www.marxists.org/reference/arch ... olence.htm

"My answer is based on the American situation, but you will see that you can easily infer from it what applies to your own. These demonstrations are not confrontations when they remain within the framework of legality. But when they do so, they subject themselves to the institutionalized violence that autonomously determines the framework of legality and can restrict it to a suffocating minimum; for example, by applying laws such as those forbidding trespass on private or government property, interfering with traffic, disturbance of the peace, etc. Accordingly what was legal can become illegal from one minute to the next if a completely peaceful demonstration disturbs the peace or voluntarily or involuntarily trespasses on private property, and so on. In this situation confrontations with state power, with institutionalized violence, seem inevitable – unless opposition becomes a harmless ritual, a pacifier of conscience, and a star witness for the rights and freedoms available under the status quo. This was the experience of the civil rights movement: that the others practice the violence, that the others are the violence, and that against this violence legality is problematic from the very beginning. This will also be the experience of the student opposition as soon as the system feels threatened by it. And then the opposition is placed before the fatal decision: opposition as ritual event or opposition as resistance, i.e. civil disobedience."


The moment when Montreal student protestors stepped on the property of "Loto-Quebec" in 2012. Crossing the "red line" of government property:

[Svartalf]

DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BURN ANYONE?

Absolutely not!

Medium rare, perhaps.

OOOh, burn !
Maybe they should immolate themselves in shame?

[superuniverse]

So by now you should be able to see that conventional forms of protest are completely ineffective, and may actually serve the cause of oppression by providing the illusion of freedom.

So niw we turn to Nostradamus for an unconventional weapon...

[JimC]

And then the opposition is placed before the fatal decision: opposition as ritual event or opposition as resistance, i.e. civil disobedience."

Civil disobedience does not necessarily entail violence against the authorities, although in some circumstances it can provoke violence from the authorities. Extinction Rebellion protests against inaction on climate change often involve people chaining themselves to gates, or lying down en masse to block traffic, or trucks at the entrance to coal mines, and frequently end in arrests. XR organisers would agree with you that purely peaceful protests, involving zero illegal actions can sometimes be seen as ineffective rituals (although the mass demonstrations against the Vietnam war in my youth were largely peaceful, but successful because of the huge numbers involved).

To my mind, a willingness to engage in civil disobedience, as long as it is determinedly non-violent (to people at least - property damage to logging or mining equipment may be a valid tactic in some circumstances) is definitely OK...

[superuniverse]

And then the opposition is placed before the fatal decision: opposition as ritual event or opposition as resistance, i.e. civil disobedience."

Civil disobedience does not necessarily entail violence against the authorities, although in some circumstances it can provoke violence from the authorities. Extinction Rebellion protests against inaction on climate change often involve people chaining themselves to gates, or lying down en masse to block traffic, or trucks at the entrance to coal mines, and frequently end in arrests. XR organisers would agree with you that purely peaceful protests, involving zero illegal actions can sometimes be seen as ineffective rituals (although the mass demonstrations against the Vietnam war in my youth were largely peaceful, but successful because of the huge numbers involved).

To my mind, a willingness to engage in civil disobedience, as long as it is determinedly non-violent (to people at least - property damage to logging or mining equipment may be a valid tactic in some circumstances) is definitely OK...

I think you misunderstand Nostradamus and Marcuse. For them, violence is absolutely essential and liberating, for it is the only thing that can destroy the systems of oppression. Do flowers and love achieve this? Indeed, there has never been a peaceful revolution in history. The ruling classes will, every few hundred years, end up on the sacred bloody altar of history.

[JimC]

Perhaps you have not absorbed the majority religious view that violence is abhorrent to a putative god...

[superuniverse]

[Hermit]

I think you misunderstand Nostradamus and Marcuse. For them, violence is absolutely essential and liberating, for it is the only thing that can destroy the systems of oppression.

No. You do. It comes from not misreading Marcuse's essay, titled Repressive Tolerance. He wrote that

today tolerance appears again as what it was in its origins, at the beginning of the modern period-a partisan goal, a subversive liberating notion and practice.

Furthermore, you have totally missed what Marcuse regards as violent resistance. It is not literal violence - as in the violent destruction of property and doing harm to humans - per se. Instead he cites the passive resistance in India as an example of violent resistance. The violence he supports is metaphorical.

There, [in India] passive resistance was carried through on a massive scale, which disrupted, or threatened to disrupt, the economic life of the country. Quantity turns into quality: on such a scale, passive resistance is no longer passive–it ceases to be non-violent. The same holds true for the General Strike.

(Emphasis added)

[superuniverse]

Perhaps you have not absorbed the majority religious view that violence is abhorrent to a putative god...

Guess you are not familiar with Book of Revelation

[rainbow]

I think you misunderstand Nostradamus and Marcuse.

One would have to care

Tell us about your God.

[Svartalf]

Mr De Nostre Dame is like quantum physics, claiming to understand what he wrote is a surefire clue that you haven't.

[JimC]

Perhaps you have not absorbed the majority religious view that violence is abhorrent to a putative god...

Guess you are not familiar with Book of Revelation

I'm not talking about ancient religious writings, bible or otherwise. I'm talking about the majority of mainstream religions, where, with some exceptions, violence in generally abhorred by the actual people who are believers.