An evening without Richard Dawkins

[Animavore]

Fucking quote fuck up. I can't fix it on this phone.

Fixed it for you. If that wasn't quite what you wanted let me know.

Spot on

[JimC]

Sorry, I'm not gonna believe there's a super magic sky daddy who gives you pie in the sky when you die. No matter how many fauxlosophers say so.

Nobody's asking you to. They are merely asking that you fuck off and let them believe what they believe without your interference or opprobrium. It's called "tolerance" and it falls in the "my religious beliefs are none of your fucking business, asshole" category.

But always, they extend their religious beliefs to say that their vision of reality is the one which will determine whether I go to "heaven" or "hell"...

They think their twisted delusion applies to everyone, the arrogant cocksuckers...

Fuck 'em, and the horse they rode on...

And their apologists!

[Feck]

Sorry, I'm not gonna believe there's a super magic sky daddy who gives you pie in the sky when you die. No matter how many fauxlosophers say so.

Nobody's asking you to. They are merely asking that you fuck off and let them believe what they believe without your interference or opprobrium. It's called "tolerance" and it falls in the "my religious beliefs are none of your fucking business, asshole" category.

But always, they extend their religious beliefs to say that their vision of reality is the one which will determine whether I go to "heaven" or "hell"...

They think their twisted delusion applies to everyone, the arrogant cocksuckers...

Fuck 'em, and the horse they rode on...

And their apologists!

See! they get Jim upset , Why should we tolerate them ?

[JimC]

Feck, I deeply appreciate that you realise that getting me upset is one of the unforgivable evils!

[Feck]

Feck, I deeply appreciate that you realise that getting me upset is one of the unforgivable evils!

the world might need people who can do calculus ....(if we run out of people who can draw a graph )

[Animavore]

I would hate if this country ever became religious again. Look at the list of bulllshit that happened as a result of it.
Children raped by prests. Too scared of threats of hell and shame to tell. Even if they did tell the parents were generally too afraid of shame, excommunication and social exclusion to do anything. The kid might even get beat up and told 'not to tell tales about the Good Father'.
Young girls who got raped and pregnant would be accused of being harlots and have their children taken off them while they get sent to the Magdeline Sisters for 're-education' (by the way watch the film The Magdeline Sisters if you haven't already to check out the appalling treatment of young women in these institutions) while the rapist got away. Single mothers, 'promiscuous' girls sent here also.
Women married to drunken, abusive and even incestuous men were stuck with their choice because divorce was considered such a mortal sin.
People used to cross the street if a priest was walking up the path to clear a way for him.

These are a short list of things that have happened to people in my community. People I know. Lives have been fucked up and ruined and all because of the silence generated when people are afraid of orthodoxy. Should we tolerate this? I think toleration is the root of the problem here. Now I have strong levels of toleration. I have friends of all shades of life and a richer outlook as a consequence because I don't suffer the close-mindedness that would prevent me taking to a person because of who they are. But I don't and won't tolerate the intolerable.

[Feck]

I would hate if this country ever became religious again. Look at the list of bulllshit that happened as a result of it.
Children raped by prests. Too scared of threats of hell and shame to tell. Even if they did tell the parents were generally too afraid of shame, excommunication and social exclusion to do anything. The kid might even get beat up and told 'not to tell tales about the Good Father'.
Young girls who got raped and pregnant would be accused of being harlots and have their children taken off them while they get sent to the Magdeline Sisters for 're-education' (by the way watch the film The Magdeline Sisters if you haven't already to check out the appalling treatment of young women in these institutions) while the rapist got away. Single mothers, 'promiscuous' girls sent here also.
Women married to drunken, abusive and even incestuous men were stuck with their choice because divorce was considered such a mortal sin.
People used to cross the street if a priest was walking up the path to clear a way for him.

These are a short list of things that have happened to people in my community. People I know. Lives have been fucked up and ruined and all because of the silence generated when people are afraid of orthodoxy. Should we tolerate this? I think toleration is the root of the problem here. Now I have strong levels of toleration. I have friends of all shades of life and a richer outlook as a consequence because I don't suffer the close-mindedness that would prevent me taking to a person because of who they are. But I don't and won't tolerate the intolerable.

[charlou]

Yes.

[Seth]

Seth doesn't get out of the bunker much.

Whereas your head is permanently ensconced far inside your anal orifice.

[Seth]

So, the actions of a few ignorant barbaric savages in Nigeria are to be used to condemn each and every one of the three billion or more people on earth who hold some religious belief?

Talk about ignorant barbarity.

It's 21st century christians in Nigeria burning witches - you didn't specify that it had to be Anglicans living in an upscale London suburb.

Um, first, anyone who burns anyone anywhere is not a "christian." Second, the point remains. Religion comes in many flavors, just as Atheists do. Some are more barbaric than others, like Stalin, and some are entirely benign and useful to society, like the vast majority of people of religion, irrespective of the flavor.

Pointing out the malefactions of ignorant (even of Christianity) barbaric savages does not demonstrate that religion as a whole, much less people who believe in religion, is inherently corrupt any more than pointing out that Stalin was a barbaric Atheist savage means that you are likewise a barbaric Atheist savage.

[Exi5tentialist]

Nigeria ... barbaric savages

It's alright Seth, we've heard your message

[Seth]

Y'know, Seth, you making up a story about how we hate religious people is amusing to troll you with for a little while, but the truth is we're tired of having it stuffed up our noses.

Sucks to be you I guess, because I'm going to continue doing it for as long as atheists disparage and demean people of religion.

We're also tired of people justifying stuffing it up our noses as "freedumb." So if you actually wanted to change it, you'd take that into account.

Again, sucks to be you, however many of you reside in your head at this moment, because my freedom to stuff it up your nose is fully protected by my country's laws. I don't expect to change you, I expect to ridicule and berate you when you act like a pompous ass...like now.

Instead you pretend we're children.

You're not a child, children have the capacity to learn.

It's really quite transparent, you know, and gives what you'd probably consider uncomfortable insight into your character.

The kewl thing is you're welcome to think whatever you like, and I'm free to show you up for acting like a pompous ass whenever I like.

[Seth]

Nigeria ... barbaric savages

It's alright Seth, we've heard your message

Soooo, evidently you don't consider people who burn other people to be barbaric savages? Nice to know.

[Exi5tentialist]

Nigeria ... barbaric savages

It's alright Seth, we've heard your message

Soooo, evidently you don't consider people who burn other people to be barbaric savages? Nice to know.

Nigerians, you mean.

[Seth]

Seth trots out the thoroughly discredited Pascal's wager, followed by the No true christian argument. What next, I wonder? Fancy trying to widen the Gap for God again? No, wait, you did that too. How about Irreducible complexity or Modal logic?

Same old, same old.

You got a problem with Pascal, bud?