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Ikke sant. What makes you think I understood that :awesome:

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Post by normal » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:48 pm

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Re: Muslins WTF.

Post by charlou » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:13 pm

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@ Chuck Jones .. I hear you. Islamophobia can lead to some extremist hyperbole .. But I've yet to hear about it leading to anyone being hurt ... by anyone other than those on the receiving end.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:39 pm

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DaveDodo007 wrote:Not a day goes by without me having to read about their seer stupidity, trying to blow up xmas shoppers in Sweden, arresting someone for throwing a business card in the bin because the owner of the card was named Mohammed. Seriously WTF this just one of the many events that seem to be happening on a daily basis. You really are a bunch of fuck up tossers. Either get a grip, grow a pair or fuck off and die. Your gods a psycho, your religion shit, your prophet is a lunatic (piss be apon him). Yes I am an Islamophobe you would have to be insane not to be. I'm about to burst a blood vessel if these nutjobs aren't dealt with soon. Seriously I'm as left as they come but I will be joining the EDL if these fuckwits don't calm down and join us in reality.
Dude, that's not the right attitude. You have the wrong outlook completely. There are muslims who generalise a lot about the west, and by generalising about muslims, you're just as bad. Is that kind of attitude ever going to result in anything but misunderstanding and disharmony? Think about what you're saying. You're not achieving anything.
Without generalizations, we can't communicate. Generalizing doesn't require that we consider ever single person to be the same.

However, Christians believe in God - is a generalization. Are there Christians who don't believe in God - maybe - I've heard of Christian Agnostics. Does that mean I can't generalize to indicate that, generally speaking, Christians do believe in God. They do.

Acknowledging the cultures exist in general - Arabic culture - urban culture - southern culture - Brazilian culture - these are all "generalizations." Do all Brazilians behave the same way? Of course not. Is there such a thing as Brazilian culture, generally speaking. Yes of course there is.

Muslims. By the very act of calling them a name, we are generalizing. Naming any group is a generalization.

If we can't make any generalizations, the the most we can do is say: Muslims are a group of humans that each believe different things. That doesn't help anybody at all. If we can't generalize, then we can't say that "Muslims are a group of humans who believe in "allah" and his Prophet Muhammed, and recognize the Koran as the inspired words of Allah as spoken through the Prophet Muhammed."

Sure - not all of everybody is anything. But, this whole idea of "not generalizing" is really just a linguistic trick to require people to hold positive views of certain things. What you're really bitching about is people harboring a NEGATIVE opinion of certain generalizations. Am I right?

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Re: Muslins WTF.

Post by Chuck Jones » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:14 pm

Some generalizations are stupid. Like generalizing about muslims being terrorists. It's an excuse used by some atheists to attack religion. It's a cheap shot. The vast majority of muslims aren't that way inclined, just as the vast majority of atheists have a little more common sense than to tar all or most muslims with the same brush, and then rambling on about how generalizations are useful. Of course they're useful, but some are plain stupid and cause unnecessary division.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:35 pm

Chuck Jones wrote:Some generalizations are stupid. Like generalizing about muslims being terrorists.
Any examples to cite? Examples where someone says that Muslims are generally terrorists?
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It's an excuse used by some atheists to attack religion. It's a cheap shot. The vast majority of muslims aren't that way inclined, just as the vast majority of atheists have a little more common sense than to tar all or most muslims with the same brush, and then rambling on about how generalizations are useful. Of course they're useful, but some are plain stupid and cause unnecessary division.
Yeah, but you'll need to not make this a straw man issue. Where did someone use the the generalization to which you object?

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Re: Muslins WTF.

Post by Chuck Jones » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:42 pm

So we're agreed; yes.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:50 pm

Chuck Jones wrote:So we're agreed; yes.
About this? "Dude, that's not the right attitude. You have the wrong outlook completely. There are muslims who generalise a lot about the west, and by generalising about muslims, you're just as bad. Is that kind of attitude ever going to result in anything but misunderstanding and disharmony? Think about what you're saying. You're not achieving anything."

Fuck no. Your statement was ludicrous.

If you're changing it to suggesting that some generalizations are stupid, then sure. Some generalizations are stupid.

If you're bitching about people here claiming that Muslims are generally terrorists, then your complaint is stupid because nobody here said that.

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Re: Muslins WTF.

Post by Chuck Jones » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:53 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Chuck Jones wrote:So we're agreed; yes.
About this? "Dude, that's not the right attitude. You have the wrong outlook completely. There are muslims who generalise a lot about the west, and by generalising about muslims, you're just as bad. Is that kind of attitude ever going to result in anything but misunderstanding and disharmony? Think about what you're saying. You're not achieving anything."

Fuck no. Your statement was ludicrous.

If you're changing it to suggesting that some generalizations are stupid, then sure. Some generalizations are stupid.

If you're bitching about people here claiming that Muslims are generally terrorists, then your complaint is stupid because nobody here said that.
The second line of your last post begins with the word "yeah". Im not putting words into your mouth, I'm responding .

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:56 pm

Chuck Jones wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Chuck Jones wrote:So we're agreed; yes.
About this? "Dude, that's not the right attitude. You have the wrong outlook completely. There are muslims who generalise a lot about the west, and by generalising about muslims, you're just as bad. Is that kind of attitude ever going to result in anything but misunderstanding and disharmony? Think about what you're saying. You're not achieving anything."

Fuck no. Your statement was ludicrous.

If you're changing it to suggesting that some generalizations are stupid, then sure. Some generalizations are stupid.

If you're bitching about people here claiming that Muslims are generally terrorists, then your complaint is stupid because nobody here said that.
The second line of your last post begins with the word "yeah". Im not putting words into your mouth, I'm responding .
The second line of my last post beginning with the word "yeah" acknowledges only that most Muslims aren't inclined to be terrorists, which isn't what you were saying initially. If that's all you're suggesting, and you're abandoning your original position, then that's fine. I wouldn't claim that most Muslims are terrorists. Nobody here has said that.

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Re: Muslins WTF.

Post by Chuck Jones » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:58 pm

Fair enough, perhaps no one here would explicitly come out with it.

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Re: Muslins WTF.

Post by Chuck Jones » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:00 pm

DaveDodo007 wrote:Not a day goes by without me having to read about their seer stupidity, trying to blow up xmas shoppers in Sweden, arresting someone for throwing a business card in the bin because the owner of the card was named Mohammed. Seriously WTF this just one of the many events that seem to be happening on a daily basis. You really are a bunch of fuck up tossers. Either get a grip, grow a pair or fuck off and die. Your gods a psycho, your religion shit, your prophet is a lunatic (piss be apon him). Yes I am an Islamophobe you would have to be insane not to be. I'm about to burst a blood vessel if these nutjobs aren't dealt with soon. Seriously I'm as left as they come but I will be joining the EDL if these fuckwits don't calm down and join us in reality.
You sound like a terrorist yourself.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:00 pm

Chuck Jones wrote:Fair enough, perhaps no one here would explicitly come out with it.
So, you just invented it. You know what they really mean.

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Re: Muslins WTF.

Post by charlou » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:23 pm

Chuck Jones wrote:
DaveDodo007 wrote:Not a day goes by without me having to read about their seer stupidity, trying to blow up xmas shoppers in Sweden, arresting someone for throwing a business card in the bin because the owner of the card was named Mohammed. Seriously WTF this just one of the many events that seem to be happening on a daily basis. You really are a bunch of fuck up tossers. Either get a grip, grow a pair or fuck off and die. Your gods a psycho, your religion shit, your prophet is a lunatic (piss be apon him). Yes I am an Islamophobe you would have to be insane not to be. I'm about to burst a blood vessel if these nutjobs aren't dealt with soon. Seriously I'm as left as they come but I will be joining the EDL if these fuckwits don't calm down and join us in reality.
You sound like a terrorist yourself.
Nah, he sounds like someone jacked off with terrorism.
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